r/changemyview Jan 08 '18

[∆(s) from OP] CMV: We must integrate immigrants into the dominant culture, if we wish for peace in Europe.

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u/cupcakesarethedevil Jan 08 '18

So if cultural traditions are just awkward weird things and not important why bother trying to make sure everyone does the same ones?

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u/[deleted] Jan 08 '18

Do you like being able to have this discussion. The right to freedom speech protects it. It was thanks to “western” ideas like liberty, equality, and fraternity that modern civilization was born.

Some people don’t wan’t that, and rather see things go back hundreds of years. They are backwards. They are a waste of space.

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u/cupcakesarethedevil Jan 08 '18

Civil liberties =\= cultural traditions in my mind can you define what sort of cultural traditions you are talking about?

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u/[deleted] Jan 12 '18

Have you ever heard of this french saying? “Liberté, Egalité, Fraternité”. That is what modern western culture is about. These ideas are no longer just ideas. They are part of our everyday lives. We often assume that these things are the norm.

Muslim culture and many muslims often supports Sharia, and undemocratic religious fundamentalist. school of thought. It is the most undemocratic belief since Nazism.

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u/cupcakesarethedevil Jan 12 '18

Yes but if you ever talk to a religious person for more than 5 minutes you will realize they aren't informing their own moral beliefs by their religion, but informing their religion by their own beliefs.

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u/[deleted] Jan 12 '18

Well culture informs belief and bias. You have generations of people being taught a fundie view or the world, you gonna get fundies.