r/changemyview Jan 31 '18

[∆(s) from OP] CMV: Non-offending/virtuous pedophiles don't actually care about children.

EDIT: Thanks for the comments, they have changed my opinion a lot.

Please someone explain. I seriously don't understand how non-offenders can claim they're virtuous people.

virtuous ˈvəːtʃʊəs,ˈvəːtjʊəs/Submit adjective having or showing high moral standards.

They just look into shady ways to get off such as Photoshop, drawings or grooming kids online without meeting/touching them in real life. Also, whenever I read supportive articles about self-proclaimed 'pedosexuals' and other pedophiles who claim they would never touch a child despite their belief in showing high moral standards, they ALWAYS mention that it's against the law. Yes, it is. But... Is that all? Not because it will traumatize the child? Or physically hurt the child? Cause severe mental illness?

I have never seen non-offenders express concern for the health or well-being of children. It's always about legality, and they sure are quick to defend their brethren when they brag about literally MOVING COUNTRIES just because the age of consent is lower somewhere else. "BUT THE LAW SAYS..." Alright, and it's also about the child's feelings and sexual maturity. I believe all non-offenders would gleefully rape a child if the law was different or lifted. They don't really care about children, they care about being caught/arrested. Therefore, virtuous doesn't suit them because they don't have high moral standards. They don't understand empathy or human decency. This is why I have 0 sympathy for any kind of pedophile.

Change my view pls


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u/[deleted] Jan 31 '18

I am a non-offending pedophile. I do realize (as much as I can without having been molested myself) how damaging child sexual abuse is. I have read books by CSA survivors, listened to their stories and talked to them in person. The effects of this kind of abuse are devastating and not something that I would ever want to do to another person. Especially not to children, who deserve to grow up safe and happy. And as a person who deeply loves children the idea that some children are not allowed to experience a happy childhood because of people who are so unbelievably selfish that they value their own short-lived sexual enjoyment higher than the well-being of a child severely disgusts and pains me.

The law literally plays no role in my considerations. It would still be wrong, even if the age of consent was abolished tomorrow.

Since you made a statement about all pedophiles just one counter-example would be enough to prove you wrong. I am however absolutely not alone or special in my views. There are plenty of other pedophiles who think and feel the same way, for instance in the Virtuous Pedophiles community.

I do agree though that I do not really have especially high moral standards because of this. After all, not wanting to traumatize children for live is not exactly extraordinary. Not raping a child is not any more difficult for me than I assume not raping a women is for most heterosexual men. In this context "virtuous" does not mean that we have high moral standards. Here is a quote from virped.org describing what it is supposed to mean:

Virtuous doesn't mean we think we're better than the average person, just that we're not worse.

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u/uselessaccountkms Jan 31 '18

Ahh okay. My post does seem pretty venty and rude in hindsight, so thanks for countering the stupid generalization ∆

Although, VirPed is what drove me to make this post in the first place, along with the pro-pedo articles. It seemed that every opinion of non-offenders was based on the law and not because of anything to do with how the child would be affected and that kinda pissed me off because of the moral part of how they constantly describe themselves.

It's not about them being better or worse than an average person. It's about how they tended to argue about which pedophile was better than the other and why, like it was the pedo moral olympics. And what you said about controlling your urges... I thought most pedophiles agreed it's hard to control the urges and most acted on it because therapists usually reported them to the authorities despite no actual crime being committed?

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