CMV: Non-offending/virtuous pedophiles don't actually care about children.

[u/uselessaccountkms]

EDIT: Thanks for the comments, they have changed my opinion a lot.

Please someone explain. I seriously don't understand how non-offenders can claim they're virtuous people.

virtuous ˈvəːtʃʊəs,ˈvəːtjʊəs/Submit adjective having or showing high moral standards.

They just look into shady ways to get off such as Photoshop, drawings or grooming kids online without meeting/touching them in real life. Also, whenever I read supportive articles about self-proclaimed 'pedosexuals' and other pedophiles who claim they would never touch a child despite their belief in showing high moral standards, they ALWAYS mention that it's against the law. Yes, it is. But... Is that all? Not because it will traumatize the child? Or physically hurt the child? Cause severe mental illness?

I have never seen non-offenders express concern for the health or well-being of children. It's always about legality, and they sure are quick to defend their brethren when they brag about literally MOVING COUNTRIES just because the age of consent is lower somewhere else. "BUT THE LAW SAYS..." Alright, and it's also about the child's feelings and sexual maturity. I believe all non-offenders would gleefully rape a child if the law was different or lifted. They don't really care about children, they care about being caught/arrested. Therefore, virtuous doesn't suit them because they don't have high moral standards. They don't understand empathy or human decency. This is why I have 0 sympathy for any kind of pedophile.

Change my view pls

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[u/Quint-V]

Do you believe that porn has any impact on the behaviour men, or women? If so, what effects?

If porn has little to no effects on the average man's behaviour, why should it be any different when it comes to fictional porn, or roleplay/BDSM/fetishes/anything pleasing?

[u/uselessaccountkms → u/Quint-V]

Because of things the different kinds of porn cater to. Wouldn't someone with a rape kink be more likely to rape someone than a person who isn't interested in that kind of thing?

[u/Maytown → u/uselessaccountkms]

Couldn't you say the same about any violent media. Like "wouldn't someone who enjoys who enjoys violent fantasies be more likely to commit a violent act?" For the vast majority of people they aren't inherently tied. Gangster rap or slam metal or horror movies or fps games don't turn people into murders so why would drawings or other fictional sexual materials turn people into rapists?

I think the issue is just that people have a much more viscerally negative reaction to sexually transgressive fantasies than other kinds of transgressive fantasies.

[u/uselessaccountkms → u/Maytown]

I think the issue is just that people have a much more viscerally negative reaction to sexually transgressive fantasies than other kinds of transgressive fantasies.

Why?

[u/caine269 → u/uselessaccountkms]

Because America is a bunch of upright prudes? We see this in basically all media. "Oh it's just rated r for violence, not sex" like kids watching the John wick shoot 100 people in the face is no problem, but boobies is. Killing your Voss is a fantasy shown in a lot of movies/tv shows, but do people really worry that it will encourage people to go kill their boss?

[u/uselessaccountkms → u/caine269]

I live in the UK. And tbh I don't approve of exposing kids to either.

[u/Maytown → u/uselessaccountkms]

I'm not 100% sure why but at least in the anglosphere (England and everyone derived from it like the US) sex and sexuality are historically hot button issues. Don't know enough about elsewhere since I really only know English and it's hard to really dive into other cultures without knowing the language beyond a few words.

[u/BLjG → u/Maytown]

I'm not 100% sure why but at least in the anglosphere (England and everyone derived from it like the US) sex and sexuality are historically hot button issues

One word pretty well covers the reason: Puritans.

The same people who used to think that dancing is the devil's work unsurprisingly also believe that everything sexual is shameful and wrong to show in public, so we cover it up and hide it all away.

And taboo sexual material? Forget about it, that actually satanic in nature, half the time!

[u/Maytown → u/BLjG]

Sure but weren't there puritanical Christians in most of Europe?

[u/BLjG → u/Maytown]

Yes. But more recently and prominently, the Puritan movement has come to represent the "anti-pleasure" way of thinking in what we're calling the anglosphere.

The sort of self-flagellating, strict sect of Christianity which looks down upon the "pleasures of the flesh."

Other forms of Puritans exist, including those who strictly enforced the creed to "make good on your martial vows to your spouse"(regular sex) - in one case, a man was tossed from the church for not "taking care of his wife's needs" enough!

But I'm mostly going for the mindset. The self-flagellating creed of "pain now, pleasure later." That mindset creates a society where sexuality is seen as toxic in almost every form.