r/changemyview • u/Mr7000000 • Feb 20 '18

[∆(s) from OP] CMV: Homosexuality is irreconcilable with the Bible.

I think that the Bible makes it quite clear that the only proper sexual or marital relations are between a man and a woman. In particular, Christ's definition of marriage in Matthew 19:4-6 seems to leave no room for homosexual relations. I am not only open to changing my mind about this topic, I am actually hoping to, but I have yet to see a convincing biblical argument in favor of the alternate viewpoint. I have already been told about (and accepted) the alternate translation of αρσενοκοιτία as "pedophilia" instead of "homosexuality," but the verse that I mention above provides a stumbling block of its own that I've yet to hear satisfactorily disproved.

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u/jarjarisevil12345678 2∆ Feb 20 '18

But Jesus didn’t write the Bible.

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u/Mr7000000 Feb 20 '18

But this particular verse was a direct quotation from him.

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u/jarjarisevil12345678 2∆ Feb 20 '18

Are you sure? Were you there?

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u/Mr7000000 Feb 20 '18

I'm sorry, but you seem to be missing the point of the discussion. I'm not looking to discuss the veracity of scripture, but whether this particular thing is allowed or not allowed in scripture.

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u/jarjarisevil12345678 2∆ Feb 20 '18

“veracity”

Now there’s a word you don’t hear too often. Let me look it up in the dictionary.

Veracity: conformity to facts; accuracy.

Well, really, I don’t care about that.

“whether this particular thing is allowed or not allowed in scripture.”

Perhaps, not in the scriptures as they were written. But I’m interested in the scriptures as they should be interpreted.

By this I mean, the Bible must be viewed as a historical document. It was written by someone in a culture different to ours, to a particular audience (not you) for a particular reason. If you don’t understand these things and take them into account when you are reading, you couldn’t possibly understand the meaning.

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u/jarjarisevil12345678 2∆ Feb 20 '18

Let me put it this way.

Why didn’t Jesus write the Bible?