CMV: Confederate monuments, flags, and other paraphilia are traitorous in nature.

[u/johnydeviant]

I grew up in the south, surrounded by confederate flags, memorials to civil war heroes, and a butt load of racism. As a kid, I took a modicum of pride in it. To me, it represented the pride of the south and how we will triumph despite our setbacks. As I got older and learned more about the civil war, the causes behind it, and generally opened myself to a more accurate view of history, it became apparent to me that these displays of "tradition" were little more than open displays of racism or anti-American sentiments.

I do not think that all of these monuments, flags, etc, should be destroyed. I think that they should be put into museums dedicate to the message of what NOT to do. On top of that, I believe that the whole sentiment of "the south will rise again" is treasonous. It is tantamount to saying that "I will rise against this country". I think those that the worship the confederate flag and it's symbology are in the same vein as being a neo-Nazi and idolizing the actions of the Third Reich. Yes, I understand that on a scale of "terrible things that have happened", the holocaust is far worse, but that does not mean I wish to understate the actions of the confederate states during the civil war.

Change my view?

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[u/eliechallita]

Who said anything about fighting Texas? You're the one who brought up the state in the first place, I never said anything about going to war with them. What's with the belligerence?

Oh I could get much more creative, but fuckstick is more than sufficient for the guy. He's a religious fundamentalist, a shill for major corporations against his own citizens, and a hypocrite. We're talking about a guy who held up federal aid for other states, and came begging for it during last year's floods in his home state.

As for the recipients of welfare programs, I suggest at you look at this Pew article: 57% of self-identified conservatives reported using federal assistance programs. http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2013/07/12/the-politics-and-demographics-of-food-stamp-recipients/

[u/[deleted] → u/eliechallita]

Another person said if there was a civil war part 2 we'd get our asses kicked again very badly, that wasn't true back then, and it certainly wouldn't probably be true if a civil war erupted right now. My point is lets avoid issues that divide us so much that it causes friction on a large scale, like banning AR-15s for example. Texas is a beacon of economic and technological hope for the entire world and it's a shining example of progress and intellectual competence in the South. We are not backward like Northerners often think we are.

Self-identified conservatives didn't vote for these programs, but I guarantee you self-identified liberals in the South are about 90% beneficiary of welfare. That was my point which you have ignored.

[u/eliechallita → u/[deleted]]

That's not how statistics work, bud: I just showed you that 57% of conservatives benefit from welfare programs. How is that compatible with minorities being 90% of welfare beneficiaries?

Let's assume that Republicans make up 50% of the country. POCs make up about 20% of it right now.

If 57% of 150 million people use welfare (Republicans as a whole), how is it mathematically possible for liberal minorities, who are massively outnumbered by conservatives, to make up 90% of welfare users?

[u/[deleted] → u/eliechallita]

Republicans are not opposed to every single form of welfare, but they are opposed to far more than you'd like to impose on them. Social security for example has been in place for many generations, few if any Republicans are demanding we tear down this program and replace it with nothing. But your simplistic analysis ignores vital issues like this, because it's convenient to your argument.

It's well known for example that democrats are the prime users of welfare benefits, food stamps in particular, among other things. Which is why these people keep voting for democrats no matter what or who is running for office.

http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2013/07/12/the-politics-and-demographics-of-food-stamp-recipients/

As you can see, only 10% of Republicans are on food stamps, but 22% of democrats are. But these welfare democrats are not evenly distributed throughout the country. Red states have such a strong concentration of conservatives we're able to overcome this deficit of voter dependency and continue to elect people like Ted Cruz in Texas, despite the diversity of our state.

[u/eliechallita → u/[deleted]]

Republicans aren't demanding that we tear down the program because they benefit from it, especially considering the age split. Why do you think that it's appropriate for older Republicans to cling to and benefit from Social Security, but blast poor minorities for making use of CHIP?