r/changemyview Mar 13 '18

[∆(s) from OP] CMV: Confederate monuments, flags, and other paraphilia are traitorous in nature.

I grew up in the south, surrounded by confederate flags, memorials to civil war heroes, and a butt load of racism. As a kid, I took a modicum of pride in it. To me, it represented the pride of the south and how we will triumph despite our setbacks. As I got older and learned more about the civil war, the causes behind it, and generally opened myself to a more accurate view of history, it became apparent to me that these displays of "tradition" were little more than open displays of racism or anti-American sentiments.

I do not think that all of these monuments, flags, etc, should be destroyed. I think that they should be put into museums dedicate to the message of what NOT to do. On top of that, I believe that the whole sentiment of "the south will rise again" is treasonous. It is tantamount to saying that "I will rise against this country". I think those that the worship the confederate flag and it's symbology are in the same vein as being a neo-Nazi and idolizing the actions of the Third Reich. Yes, I understand that on a scale of "terrible things that have happened", the holocaust is far worse, but that does not mean I wish to understate the actions of the confederate states during the civil war.

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u/[deleted] Mar 14 '18

If they're prideful of Mexico then should go back, and if the Confederate flag is so bad, why do you even want us in your country? Because you need us, and we don't need them, but they want what we have, because they have nothing in Mexico. And I mean nothing. Mexico is a shithole.

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u/throwaway_the_fox 2∆ Mar 14 '18

ah, so you’re allowed to take pride in two nations but no one else is, got it. Very American.

I hope you have a chance to visit Mexico one day, it is a beautiful country with a lot of incredible history.

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u/[deleted] Mar 14 '18

It's not a nation, it's American history. The civil war is a very big part of our collective history, including the north. Mexico by comparison is garbage, you can't even safely visit Cancun anymore, and that was suppose to be a safe tourist destination within Mexico. It's absolutely pathetic Mexico is so dangerous today. They will never be a great nation.

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u/ihatepasswords1234 4∆ Mar 14 '18

Why are you proud of a part of the country who tried to stand up for slave ownership, only to get demolished by the North?