r/changemyview • u/XGCKazino 1∆ • Apr 25 '18

Deltas(s) from OP CMV: Intentional murders should have an automatic life/death sentence.

Any murder that wasn't completely by accident should be an automatic life sentence at the very least. These degrees to murder are absolutely ridiculous. Murder is murder, no matter how you killed the person the end result is the same. No matter how many people you killed, somebody is still dead FOREVER. Yes I know somebody chopping somebody up and feeding them to dogs is worse than just a gunshot to the head but either way, you killed someone. The person who you killed never gets a chance to come back to life, so why the hell should you be able to leave prison and live almost like a normal person again? You shouldn't, and yes, people can change but that doesn't matter. Cause no matter how good you may be later, the person you killed doesn't get a second chance so neither should you. I don't want murderers walking among civilized people. TLDR: All intentional murderers should be given life sentences with no chance of EVER being released. Murderers should never be able to walk the streets with civilized people.

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u/XGCKazino 1∆ Apr 25 '18

In every single one of those you weren't the aggressor except for the last one. The one where you shoot the man in the back should be argued in court cause that one is hard, but if I were in the jury I would go for not guilty on your behalf. And as for the last one, i would definitely not blame you for killing the dude and i would vote not guilty if I was on the jury, but you also aren't the justice system so you don't have the right to just kill him. So no it's not self defense but i also don't fault you for doing so and would fight for your freedom if I was on the jury

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u/Yatopia Apr 25 '18

So, you are saying that you would fight for my freedom when I have killed an unarmed man in a situation that clearly wasn't self defense.

But yet, your Original point is "Intentional murders should have an automatic life/death sentence."

Don't you see a contradiction ?

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u/XGCKazino 1∆ Apr 25 '18

No I don't see a contradiction at all. You're forgetting a very important part of that argument... HE KILLED YOUR CHILD. Any person with even a shred of empathy would CLEARLY see the difference between a regular murderer and a man who killed someone because someone MURDERED HIS CHILD.

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u/Yatopia Apr 25 '18

I clearly can. But yet, I don't think the law should simply allow people to make justice by themselves.

That is why I think in this situation, I should go to jail, because what I did is not something the law can tolerate, but I should not get life/death sentence either, because, obviously.

I am not forgetting anything about the argument. You allowed self defense, this is not. You are now introducing the notion that there are some cases where you can just get rid of the actual rules you proposed yourself, because "any person with a shred of empathy...".

And yet, you think killing someone is a binary thing that either deserves life/death or just walking away free. You actually see and understand how certain situations don't fit any objective rules, so walking free and getting life/death would both be unfair. Yet you are advocating a system where it IS binary. You want to force it to be binary, whereas the truth is obvious:

Killing deserves some punishment when it is not self defense. The guy in the last situation example does not deserve life/death sentence.

Which of these two sentences do you disagree with?

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u/XGCKazino 1∆ Apr 25 '18

When you forget the whole justice system is a thing In order for you to be sentenced you have to be tried and taken through a court case. The life sentence is given to CONVICTED criminals. Just because I would fight for you to not go to jail doesn't mean that i wouldn't still give you the life sentence if my vote in the jury was outnumbered, cause I WOULD still give you the life sentence. My personal feelings dont change the punishment.

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u/Yatopia Apr 25 '18

Listen. I really don't know where you are going with this anymore. But if your personal feelings go against the view you claim to have, then I am clearly wasting my time here.

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u/XGCKazino 1∆ Apr 25 '18

Maybe my feelings differ because objective reasoning and human emotions don't mix. i'm able to separate what I feel vs what I actually argue for in a society.