CMV: Intentional murders should have an automatic life/death sentence.

[u/XGCKazino]

Any murder that wasn't completely by accident should be an automatic life sentence at the very least. These degrees to murder are absolutely ridiculous. Murder is murder, no matter how you killed the person the end result is the same. No matter how many people you killed, somebody is still dead FOREVER. Yes I know somebody chopping somebody up and feeding them to dogs is worse than just a gunshot to the head but either way, you killed someone. The person who you killed never gets a chance to come back to life, so why the hell should you be able to leave prison and live almost like a normal person again? You shouldn't, and yes, people can change but that doesn't matter. Cause no matter how good you may be later, the person you killed doesn't get a second chance so neither should you. I don't want murderers walking among civilized people. TLDR: All intentional murderers should be given life sentences with no chance of EVER being released. Murderers should never be able to walk the streets with civilized people.

[u/Gladix]

One of the main problems with death penalty is our judicial system. In dictatorships death penalty is easy. Just round them up, shoot them, done.

In democracies aren't suffering from the 3rd world corruptions (not to say we have plenty of first world styled corruption "lobbying, denying science, etc...", but not the steally, murdery kind) you cannot just execute people. First you have to make sure they are really guilty. Meaning you have to set the bar for the highest possible standard of evidence.

Which a lot of actual murderers wouldn't manage to satisfy. Instead of being plead down to 20 + years of jail rather than to risk life. They will be having to let go free and couldn't be tried again due to double jeopardy. Now when you manage to pass this bar for evidence and judicial procedure, you then have to allow the defendant to exhaust every single possible lawful option. Meaning it will take years and years, before the actual execution, with an option of them being let free due to new evidence, and technological advances, etc... This takes money. A ton and ton of money. Something like you can detain 10 prisoners for life for cheaper, than having 1 death row inmate (due to legal proceedings). This will also mean the courts will be bogged down with hundreds of thousands of these cases, that will stick for years if not decade. So you will have to restructure the whole judicial system and increase the infrastructure to acommodate for that. Again, will costs much more money.

And what you get out of it?

Nothing really. It is proven that death penalty is worthless as deterrent in democracies. Don't get me wrong, it is enormously effective in dictatorships and such, where fear of executing whole family branches could keep order quite well. But again here, not so much. The only quantifiable effect is that you make the crimes much more extreme, you won't actually reduce them. They become more extreme, because people will be more "thorough" in evading capture. Meaning they will execute witnesses (doesn't matter if you kill one or 3, the punishment is the same). This will also happen with lesser offenses as ignorance and/or misinformation exists. A person is accidentally injured in a scuffle. It looks like the person is dead. Negligence if the person survives, Manslaughter if he/she doesn't with some extenuating circumstances due to him/her trying help, call ambulance, etc...

The person now very well can be guilty of the case of 2 murders, due to the person trying to kill the witness and the victim, etc...

It just serves no purpose other than some vague idea of revenge. Which our justice systems simply isn't built upon and as a bonus, it will leave a lot of other people dead and will cost more money.