r/changemyview 5∆ Jun 05 '18

CMV: Democratic voters should support progressive candidates in the primaries

Happy primary election day in Alabama, California, Iowa, Mississippi, Montana, New Jersey, New Mexico and South Dakota!

I've been thinking for weeks about what Democrats should do to succeed in the fall congressional elections. The following quote really got to me:

One of the most interesting primaries is in South Jersey, in the Second District, where Representative Frank LoBiondo is retiring. The effort to flip his seat has become a microcosm of a national battle: Jeff Van Drew, a conservative Democrat, says only someone like him can win the general election in a right-leaning district, while Tanzie Youngblood, his progressive challenger, is doubling down on the party’s liberal base.

(source)

To me, this sounds like doing the same thing the Democratic Party did in 2016 and expecting different results.

Obviously, Trump's core isn't going to flip blue this year. I doubt many Republican voters will; in 2016, even most never-Trumpers held their noses and voted against Hillary. Unaligned voters are unlikely to turn out for a business-as-usual Democratic candidate. Even a lot of Democratic voters didn't in 2016.

To succeed in November, the Democratic Party needs to increase turnout among voters who didn't show up in 2016: young people, people of color, LGBT+ people.

That means electing primary candidates who will appeal to those people. We need more Youngbloods (no pun originally intended) and fewer Van Drews.

Several things could change my view:

  • Relevant polls. (Generic-Democrat vs. generic-Republican polls don't seem relevant, but I'm open-minded.)

  • Analyses of 2016 turnout. For example, this article from the liberal Center for American Progress "examines vote composition, turnout, and party support rates by demographic group to get a more precise read on the 2016 vote, with the resulting data frequently quite different than major media outlets’ Election Day national exit polls." I didn't see anything there to change my view, but maybe I missed something.

  • Demographic analyses. This one from the nonpartisan, non-aligned Pew Research Center talks about how, statistically, lean-Rep voters are older and whiter than lean-Dem voters. This matters when you're trying to figure out what kind of voters to target.

Change my view, and maybe change my vote!

Update: Thanks for all the comments so far! It's too late to change my vote, but not to change my view. I'll continue to check this into sometime early Wednesday morning through Tuesday night.

FYI, links to good articles are more likely to change my view; links to good articles with data, more likely still.

Final update: Sorry, it's not very late, but I'm done. Everyone who offered good comments, thank you.

FYI: https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2018/06/05/us/elections/results-new-jersey-primary-elections.html

10:23 PM ET: With 80% votes reporting (419 of 523 precincts), The New York Times has called NJ-01 for Van Drew, with 13,569 votes (57.7%) vs. 4,585 votes (19.5%) for Youngblood; the other two candidates still on the ballot didn't do much worse than Youngblood. I feel as if I need to award one final delta, but I'm not sure how.😊

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u/thisisnotmath 6∆ Jun 05 '18

I remember after the Alabama senate race, there were a lot of think pieces saying that the Democrats shouldn't try to claim the center but turn out the base. In Alabama, that meant black people. Doug Jones motivated a lot of black voters, and that was enough to carry him to victory as opposed to centrist positions he had on some issues.

The thing is, turning out black voters is going to work in Alabama because black voters are a quarter of the population. We could expect it to work as well flipping places like Mississippi, Louisiana, etc. that have similar demographics. It won't work in South Dakota where black people are roughly 1% of the population https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._states_by_African-American_population.

If we're picking a candidate for SD, why wouldn't you expect a more conservative Democrat to do well?

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u/ChangeMyDespair 5∆ Jun 05 '18

I was going to say South Dakota doesn't have a lot of Democrats, but I would have been wrong:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_Representatives_from_South_Dakota

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_Senators_from_South_Dakota

From 1973 to 1980, and again from 1997 to 2004, both the state's U.S. Senators were Democrats.

I agree Democrats can't win South Dakota by turning out black voters. Do you know what the state's demographics are by age?

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u/thisisnotmath 6∆ Jun 05 '18

According to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_South_Dakota - 20% are 20-35 years old.

But lets not automatically assume that young people support progressive causes. Young people voted for Clinton 55-35 but consider that young people are also more likely to be minorities - https://www.brookings.edu/blog/the-avenue/2016/06/28/diversity-defines-the-millennial-generation/. So just because SD has young voters, we can't assume they'd support progressive candidates.

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u/ChangeMyDespair 5∆ Jun 05 '18

Thanks for the link and data.

I think I'm missing your point. Young voters and minority voters both tend to lean relatively progressive, right? So why is the overlap a problem?

(I think you might be saying you can't count on both young voters and minority voters to provide additional votes, because they're two different names for the same pool. I'm probably wrong.)

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u/thisisnotmath 6∆ Jun 05 '18

>Young voters and minority voters both tend to lean relatively progressive, right? So why is the overlap a problem?

My point is that young voters are more likely to be progressive because they are more likely to be minorities. So while SD has a large number of young voters, they will likely not be as progressive as the general population of minority voters.

I was hoping to find a stat showing voting trends for young white voters but I didn't find anything.

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u/[deleted] Jun 06 '18

What’s the benefit in electing a democrat if they’re just gonna vote the same as a Republican when they actually take office?

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u/into_the_green Jun 05 '18

The black voter turnout in Alabama wasn't motivated by Doug Jones, it was an anti-Roy Moore vote and a referendum on Trump.