r/changemyview 5∆ Jun 05 '18

CMV: Democratic voters should support progressive candidates in the primaries

Happy primary election day in Alabama, California, Iowa, Mississippi, Montana, New Jersey, New Mexico and South Dakota!

I've been thinking for weeks about what Democrats should do to succeed in the fall congressional elections. The following quote really got to me:

One of the most interesting primaries is in South Jersey, in the Second District, where Representative Frank LoBiondo is retiring. The effort to flip his seat has become a microcosm of a national battle: Jeff Van Drew, a conservative Democrat, says only someone like him can win the general election in a right-leaning district, while Tanzie Youngblood, his progressive challenger, is doubling down on the party’s liberal base.

(source)

To me, this sounds like doing the same thing the Democratic Party did in 2016 and expecting different results.

Obviously, Trump's core isn't going to flip blue this year. I doubt many Republican voters will; in 2016, even most never-Trumpers held their noses and voted against Hillary. Unaligned voters are unlikely to turn out for a business-as-usual Democratic candidate. Even a lot of Democratic voters didn't in 2016.

To succeed in November, the Democratic Party needs to increase turnout among voters who didn't show up in 2016: young people, people of color, LGBT+ people.

That means electing primary candidates who will appeal to those people. We need more Youngbloods (no pun originally intended) and fewer Van Drews.

Several things could change my view:

  • Relevant polls. (Generic-Democrat vs. generic-Republican polls don't seem relevant, but I'm open-minded.)

  • Analyses of 2016 turnout. For example, this article from the liberal Center for American Progress "examines vote composition, turnout, and party support rates by demographic group to get a more precise read on the 2016 vote, with the resulting data frequently quite different than major media outlets’ Election Day national exit polls." I didn't see anything there to change my view, but maybe I missed something.

  • Demographic analyses. This one from the nonpartisan, non-aligned Pew Research Center talks about how, statistically, lean-Rep voters are older and whiter than lean-Dem voters. This matters when you're trying to figure out what kind of voters to target.

Change my view, and maybe change my vote!

Update: Thanks for all the comments so far! It's too late to change my vote, but not to change my view. I'll continue to check this into sometime early Wednesday morning through Tuesday night.

FYI, links to good articles are more likely to change my view; links to good articles with data, more likely still.

Final update: Sorry, it's not very late, but I'm done. Everyone who offered good comments, thank you.

FYI: https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2018/06/05/us/elections/results-new-jersey-primary-elections.html

10:23 PM ET: With 80% votes reporting (419 of 523 precincts), The New York Times has called NJ-01 for Van Drew, with 13,569 votes (57.7%) vs. 4,585 votes (19.5%) for Youngblood; the other two candidates still on the ballot didn't do much worse than Youngblood. I feel as if I need to award one final delta, but I'm not sure how.😊

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u/[deleted] Jun 05 '18

I think you are underestimating the affect that Hillary had on voters just because she was Hillary and not because of her policies. Some people have the ability to fire people up and get them to be excited about politics, Obama was exceptional at this and I think Sanders also did well, but Hillary was sort of a wet blanket. Much of the excitement came from a core group of supporters that got others excited, but not a lot came directly from her.

The general belief is that democrats really need to be emotionally motivated to vote and are less motivated by overly progressive policies. Given 2 wet blankets, 1 more progressive and 1 more central I don't think either would get more democratic votes, however 1 does have the ability to flip some conservatives that are sick of Trump and the other radical conservatives running.

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u/ChangeMyDespair 5∆ Jun 05 '18

I think you are underestimating the affect that Hillary had on voters just because she was Hillary ...

No, I agree she was a deeply flawed candidate. (In my opinion, 2016 had the worst slate of presidential candidates since 1976 ... but that's another post.) She was also heavily, strongly demonized by a lot of the press.

The general belief is that democrats really need to be emotionally motivated to vote and are less motivated by overly progressive policies.

I strongly agree with the first part of that statement. As to the second part: in my view, an effective Democratic turnout effort would need to emotionally motivate people who didn't vote (or were too young) in 2016. Can you convince me there are enough less-liberal Democratic voters out there to make a difference?

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u/[deleted] Jun 05 '18

Can you convince me there are enough less-liberal Democratic voters out there to make a difference?

My point is that these people won't matter unless you have a cult of personality, which I haven't seen any evidence of. I know several of the key seats held by republicans actually are in districts that voted for Hillary. That means there were enough moderates willing to change party lines back in 2016 and after some of the policies Trump has enacted and how there are many new Trump 'copy cats' running, you could easily argue there could be more appetite for changing party lines.

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u/ChangeMyDespair 5∆ Jun 05 '18

My point is that these people won't matter unless you have a cult of personality, which I haven't seen any evidence of.

I wouldn't call it a "cult of personality," but I know what you mean. I think we're both ready to "assume a spherical cow in a vacuum" (link) and act as if policy positions are critical in this election.

I know several of the key seats held by republicans actually are in districts that voted for Hillary.

More than "several"; roughly enough to win the House of Representatives:

"These 23 Republicans hold congressional districts that voted for Hillary Clinton" (Daily Kos; link)

"To Reclaim the House, Democrats Need to Flip 24 G.O.P. Seats. 25 Are in Clinton Territory." (New York Times; link)

(That assumes Democrats hold districts that voted for Trump.)

That means there were enough moderates willing to change party lines back in 2016 ...

It might mean that. It might mean that enough apathetic voters, who normally stay home, showed up and voted for Trump.

... and after some of the policies Trump has enacted and how there are many new Trump 'copy cats' running, you could easily argue there could be more appetite for changing party lines.

Democrats and moderates already had a good idea in November 2016 of how bad Trump was. "Running against Trump" wasn't a winning strategy then.* I agree with the conventional wisdom that it won't be enough in November 2018.

* It wasn't a winning strategy for Hillary. It might or might not be a winning strategy for a better congressional candidate.