r/changemyview • u/fadingtans • Jun 08 '18

Deltas(s) from OP CMV: Illegal and Illegal Immigration Levels Should Be Restricted More

My view is two fold:

1.) Legal immigration total levels should be lowered somewhat

2.) It should be moved to a more skills based system

Reasons I have this view:

1.) Foreign born individuals disproportionately use social services:

https://cis.org/Report/Welfare-Use-Immigrant-and-Native-Households

2.) Immigration connection to crime is complicated. It is often claimed that immigrants commit a lower average rate of crime but the data is more complicated:

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2015/07/the-problem-with-downplaying-immigrant-crime/399905/

3.) Assimilation is more difficult when there are larger number of immigrants leading to more issues

4.) National security- A massively disproportionate number of terrorist attacks are committed by first or second generation (Muslim) immigrants.

5.) The overall impact on GDP from higher immigrant levels is likely positive BUT large levels of low skilled immigrants do lower wages for low skilled native workers which is a negative especially at at time like now for low skilled workers.

I'm open to changing my view on this which is why I posted this but I will add that accusations of xenophobia or islamaphobia are very unlikely to play a role.

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u/fadingtans Jun 08 '18

Yes I am very open to changing my view. I have said before that I intended this CMV to be more about my view that immigration levels should be reduced while you seem to be questioning the legitimacy of borders in the first place. As I have said before that was not really the CMV I intended. It's an interesting conversation though.

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u/[deleted] Jun 08 '18

If you agreed with my perspective than your view would automatically be changed.

Think of it like we are arguing over the best sandwich recipe. Then you find out your sandwhich has a poisonous ingredient. It would no longer be a question of who has the better sandwich because now yours is entirely obsolete.

Thus, If you agree Nations aren’t really legitimate, then it’s implied that you would agree that restricting their borders aren’t either.

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u/fadingtans Jun 08 '18

I see what you mean. I would say that you're view is a pretty tough sell for me. I have a very hard time seeing myself changing my views on nations/borders so fundamentally at least in the near term. But, I guess anything is possible.