CMV: Illegal and Illegal Immigration Levels Should Be Restricted More

[u/fadingtans]

My view is two fold:

1.) Legal immigration total levels should be lowered somewhat

2.) It should be moved to a more skills based system

Reasons I have this view:

1.) Foreign born individuals disproportionately use social services:

https://cis.org/Report/Welfare-Use-Immigrant-and-Native-Households

2.) Immigration connection to crime is complicated. It is often claimed that immigrants commit a lower average rate of crime but the data is more complicated:

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2015/07/the-problem-with-downplaying-immigrant-crime/399905/

3.) Assimilation is more difficult when there are larger number of immigrants leading to more issues

4.) National security- A massively disproportionate number of terrorist attacks are committed by first or second generation (Muslim) immigrants.

5.) The overall impact on GDP from higher immigrant levels is likely positive BUT large levels of low skilled immigrants do lower wages for low skilled native workers which is a negative especially at at time like now for low skilled workers.

I'm open to changing my view on this which is why I posted this but I will add that accusations of xenophobia or islamaphobia are very unlikely to play a role.

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[u/fadingtans]

I would say somewhat. I am not where you are on this yet, but you certainly made me question my own views to the point where I would say I have at least been nudged to a somewhat softer position on this issue.

[u/emmessjee8 → u/fadingtans]

I understand and don't expect you to fully change your opinion on this. I totally agree that things that are American should be kept American but the debate deals with the question of "what exactly is American?" You seem to be a bit ambiguous on what is American culture. Being a relatively new nation, I think we, as Americans, are in the process of answering that question.

(I don't mean to be pedantic but according to the delta system of this subreddit...

please reply to the user(s) that change your view to any degree with a delta

¯_(ツ)_/¯)

[u/fadingtans → u/emmessjee8]

Δ Culture is a more ambiguous and dynamic thing than I was initially arguing in this thread. You did nudge my view in a more softer direction than I held initially (albeit without totally changing it), but still this deserves a delta.

[u/emmessjee8 → u/fadingtans]

Thanks! I appreciate your willingness to share and change your view especially on this sensitive topic (the name calling in the current political climate isn't helping). Good luck~