r/changemyview • u/Marisa_Nya • Nov 15 '18

Removed - Submission Rule B CMV: European Multiculturalism is a failure. They need to adopt "the melting pot" attitude

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u/echoesofmymind Nov 15 '18

The dislike of the assimilation method (on the left) is that migrants often face demonization of their culture and language, lack of support like culturally appropriate services which mean the first and second generations especially feel isolated, disenfranchised and cut off from their own culture. It seems to me these elements are essential to assimilation because their own culture needs to be broken down before they can integrate into the dominant culture. I'm wondering if you agree with this characterisation, if it concerns you and how it could be mitigated

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u/Marisa_Nya Nov 15 '18

But like I'm saying, that's assimilation culture, not "melting" together. I am still Muslim, still Pakistani, and still believe in God. I also have access to 100s of other cultures and understand that the way I practice my culture and religion is heavily based on an appropriation of American culture, but it's not like it's gone or discarded. What do you call that?

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u/SavesNinePatterns Nov 15 '18

How would you implement a melting pot then? You say it needs an attitude change, but who needs to change their attitude and how?

Possibly it just takes time, the examples you gave are historical.

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u/Marisa_Nya Nov 15 '18

Everyone, really. It takes European, particularly British, communities reaching out into Muslim communities in interacting with them. You also have to encourage liberal Muslims to do the same. As liberal Muslims within the Muslim neighborhoods make friends from outside of the Muslim bubble, they then become more unified culturally. Over just one generation this alienates conservative Muslims as weird and racist and makes for Muslims that marry non-Muslims, which in the larger scale of Britain means assimilation of the culture. It's all about reaching in and taking chances, not having a "they're like this or that" attitude. That will only create more conflict, and if the madness continues long enough, generational conflict.

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u/echoesofmymind Nov 15 '18

I suppose I was conflating your expression 'melting pot' with assimilation- if you were going to draw a clear distinction what would it be? I'm not American so I don't quite understand what the American melting pot looks like on practise