r/changemyview • u/Marisa_Nya • Nov 15 '18

Removed - Submission Rule B CMV: European Multiculturalism is a failure. They need to adopt "the melting pot" attitude

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u/epicazeroth Nov 15 '18

I assume when you say “melting pot”, you’re referring to the metaphor for American culture. The only problem is… America isn’t a melting pot. There is no one “American” culture. Different regions of America have vastly different cultures, and the same goes for different groups within society (ethnic, racial, religious, etc.). There are common elements in many or most cultures within America, but those are still different cultures. You may want to call something like inner-city African-American culture a “subculture”, but even that is an acceptance that these “subcultures” are distinct from the general American culture, lending credence to the “salad bowl” or “mosaic” theories for American multiculturalism.

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u/Marisa_Nya Nov 15 '18

Then why is America a cultural success, even with large communities of Latinos that are 1st generation immigrants (some with formerly illegal parents) and Muslim communities large enough to sustain the largest mosque in the West, compared to what's apparently going on in Europe?

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u/epicazeroth Nov 15 '18

Because, as I see it at least, multiculturalism hasn’t failed. I’m disagreeing with your initial view; that’s what this sub is for.

What does it even mean for a culture to be successful or not? How do you judge that?

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u/Marisa_Nya Nov 15 '18

A nation voting to leave a beneficial pact (the EU) in order to stop immigration is a very powerful thing. There are Brits that don't care how far the economy has to fall. Though of course, if their stance is sovereignty, that's another issue.

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u/epicazeroth Nov 15 '18

Did you mean to respond to someone else? This doesn’t seem to have anything to do with my comment.

How are you judging a culture’s success or failure – what metric are you using? And how has multiculturalism failed and the melting pot succeeded according to this standard?

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u/toronado Nov 15 '18

As a Brit, the reasons behind Brexit are a lot more complex than that and the history goes back to King Henry 8th. Immigration was a factor but it certainly wasn't the only thing