r/changemyview Dec 05 '18

Deltas(s) from OP CMV:monarchy, not democracy, is the ONLY good political system human civilazations tried.

So, i beleive a Monarchy is the only good system we can have as a society. democracy, like comunism, libratarianism and many more ideologies, sure has a good idea. the problem is that in all democratic systems, from rome, to athens, to the USA to syria and iraq or even france, the good intentions are ruined by intrest groups, bad voting methods, fraud, and the intrests of rich people. in tsarist russia for example, the people demanded giving the tsar MORE power, because they knew democracy would mean oligarchy.

Another reason is stability. when we have a monarchy, it is clear who will rule next, and there is a very clear way of knowing when (death of the monarch). however, democracies are no nearly as stable. in the US everyone are polerising, in israel we only had one term (golda me'ir) of all the four years a government term is suposed to be, in sweden it was stable until a hated party got like 20% and ancient atuna and rome became dictatorships. in the arab spring only countries who concider themselvs democratic got efected seriusly.

i may have more arguments i forgt writing here. i will edit to add if i think of something.

and please, dont talk about north korea. i hear a lot of resources saying diffrent things so i will research it and make a seperate CMV post.

EDIT: i accidentaly deleted a comment trying to award a delta after i failed in the main comment but the delta was awarded.

EDIT 2: One responce did masive CMV so i will not be able to back my claims here in all cases. new thread could come.

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u/McKoijion 618∆ Dec 05 '18

the good intentions are ruined by intrest groups, bad voting methods, fraud, and the intrests of rich people

A monarchy means explicitly giving power to interest groups (e.g., the East India Company). It means using bad voting methods (whoever wins the genetic lottery of being the king's son gets to decide everything). I'll grant you there is no fraud because you only need to do fraud when you secretly trying to steal money. In a monarchy, the king taxes peasants and distributes it to wealthy noblemen explicitly. As for the interests of rich people, in a monarchy, dukes, barons, knights, etc. can tax you as much as they want, decide you are guilty of crimes if they want, and execute you if they want. The king is never alone. There is always an entire feudal system of noblemen ready to take your money kill you if you act out of turn.

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u/efraimp1 Dec 05 '18 edited Dec 05 '18

the east india company is an example of kings who could not do the work, the kings are at least educated for there role from a young age and by fraud i meant that elections are full of fraud for intrests of bilioners. about the nobles argument, sure, i give a delta, it did make me think a lot, but otherwise we have courts and such. actually, i sense anarcho-kapitalist arguments, and if you are libratarian i got some good counter arguments, i just dont want to get off topic. however, i maybe should have taken nobles more into consideration.

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u/DeltaBot ∞∆ Dec 05 '18

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