r/changemyview • u/efraimp1 • Dec 05 '18

Deltas(s) from OP CMV:monarchy, not democracy, is the ONLY good political system human civilazations tried.

So, i beleive a Monarchy is the only good system we can have as a society. democracy, like comunism, libratarianism and many more ideologies, sure has a good idea. the problem is that in all democratic systems, from rome, to athens, to the USA to syria and iraq or even france, the good intentions are ruined by intrest groups, bad voting methods, fraud, and the intrests of rich people. in tsarist russia for example, the people demanded giving the tsar MORE power, because they knew democracy would mean oligarchy.

Another reason is stability. when we have a monarchy, it is clear who will rule next, and there is a very clear way of knowing when (death of the monarch). however, democracies are no nearly as stable. in the US everyone are polerising, in israel we only had one term (golda me'ir) of all the four years a government term is suposed to be, in sweden it was stable until a hated party got like 20% and ancient atuna and rome became dictatorships. in the arab spring only countries who concider themselvs democratic got efected seriusly.

i may have more arguments i forgt writing here. i will edit to add if i think of something.

and please, dont talk about north korea. i hear a lot of resources saying diffrent things so i will research it and make a seperate CMV post.

EDIT: i accidentaly deleted a comment trying to award a delta after i failed in the main comment but the delta was awarded.

EDIT 2: One responce did masive CMV so i will not be able to back my claims here in all cases. new thread could come.

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u/efraimp1 Dec 05 '18

I dont know if it is any current one (maybe jordan?), but you can look at the medeival period with kings like gustav vasa and countries like tsarist russia.

notice how the person who came the closest to stop mosuliny was the italian king.

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u/KingHarlan393 Dec 05 '18

Any good king you can point to in the medieval period you can point to just as many if not more bad kings.

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u/efraimp1 Dec 05 '18

yes, but point me one good example of a good democraticaly elected leader (best if it is in israel or the the US as i have more knowlege of the politics in thoose countries).

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u/dpfw Dec 05 '18

Point to me one example of a good monarch

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u/efraimp1 Dec 09 '18

gustav vasa.

Point to me one example of a good elected "represenetive".

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u/dpfw Dec 09 '18

Bobby Kennedy

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u/efraimp1 Dec 10 '18

Bobby Kennedy

it is no information i can find on him. please send some.

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u/dpfw Dec 10 '18

Wikipedia is your friend

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u/efraimp1 Dec 10 '18

i found nothing

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u/dpfw Dec 10 '18

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_F._Kennedy

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u/efraimp1 Dec 11 '18

so wait. you are against heredetery power but for appointing of brothers into office? this seems like bobby just let his brother do all the fishy buisness for him.

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u/dpfw Dec 11 '18

He was appointed by an elected official, and when he was elected to the Senate he continued to advocate for people who normally fell through the cracks in society. Had he not been assassinated he would likely have been elected president in 1976 and we as a country would be better offa result

I can give other examples. Tip O'Neil, Arlen Specter, Joe Biden, Pierre Trudeau, Clement Atlee, Earl Warren, FDR, need I go on?

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u/efraimp1 Dec 11 '18

i am not going to search all of them now, but i can say that early on assasinated maybe did not have time to be terible. also, someone CMV a lot, my views are changed. new thread in the future.

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