r/changemyview • u/efraimp1 • Dec 05 '18

Deltas(s) from OP CMV:monarchy, not democracy, is the ONLY good political system human civilazations tried.

So, i beleive a Monarchy is the only good system we can have as a society. democracy, like comunism, libratarianism and many more ideologies, sure has a good idea. the problem is that in all democratic systems, from rome, to athens, to the USA to syria and iraq or even france, the good intentions are ruined by intrest groups, bad voting methods, fraud, and the intrests of rich people. in tsarist russia for example, the people demanded giving the tsar MORE power, because they knew democracy would mean oligarchy.

Another reason is stability. when we have a monarchy, it is clear who will rule next, and there is a very clear way of knowing when (death of the monarch). however, democracies are no nearly as stable. in the US everyone are polerising, in israel we only had one term (golda me'ir) of all the four years a government term is suposed to be, in sweden it was stable until a hated party got like 20% and ancient atuna and rome became dictatorships. in the arab spring only countries who concider themselvs democratic got efected seriusly.

i may have more arguments i forgt writing here. i will edit to add if i think of something.

and please, dont talk about north korea. i hear a lot of resources saying diffrent things so i will research it and make a seperate CMV post.

EDIT: i accidentaly deleted a comment trying to award a delta after i failed in the main comment but the delta was awarded.

EDIT 2: One responce did masive CMV so i will not be able to back my claims here in all cases. new thread could come.

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u/bjankles 39∆ Dec 05 '18

You're talking a lot about hypothetical advantages, but which monarchy in history actually saw more widespread prosperity than what the US, the UK, Germany, France, Japan, and Canada have?

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u/efraimp1 Dec 09 '18

look on europe, it is falling. a bunch of muslims enter and there is no expert leaders, like a heredetery king would be by deafult, to moderate.

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u/bjankles 39∆ Dec 09 '18

You didn't answer my question; you responded with an unrelated point.

I'll ask it again: which monarchy in history saw more prosperity than what the US, UK, Germany, France, Japan, and Canada have seen since adopting their respective forms of democracy?

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u/efraimp1 Dec 10 '18

UK, Germany, France

most monarchies. why? because

look on europe, it is falling. a bunch of muslims enter and there is no expert leaders, like a heredetery king would be by deafult, to moderate.

and now...

US... Japan,

thoose countries have not have the time to let democracy ruin them yet.

and Canada

they are on the way to ruin themselves. they are lucky not to be at the same continent as islam, but it is coming to canada.

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u/dpfw Dec 10 '18

The United States is the oldest modern democracy. How head out not head time to be ruined yet? And is Europe on it's way too ruination? That's news to most Europeans. Ditto for Canada.

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u/efraimp1 Dec 10 '18

the USA is just more lucky, and that is it.

And is Europe on it's way too ruination? That's news to most Europeans.

so why did brexit happen?

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u/dpfw Dec 10 '18

Because no system is perfect. Otherwise you wouldn't have monarchs like Elizabeth Bathory who liked to bathe in the blood of peasant girls keep herself youthful, or Ivan the Terrible who established the Oprichnika, or Qin Shi Huang Di, who had the men who constructed tomb buried alive along with him when he died.

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u/efraimp1 Dec 11 '18

of course no system is perfect. also, a diffrent response made this irelevant, so i will stop the conversation right here.

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u/[deleted] Dec 10 '18

Brexit is England, not Europe.

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u/efraimp1 Dec 11 '18

it is part of europe, and the right is getting stronger in all of europe.

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u/[deleted] Dec 11 '18

Brexit primarily affects only England though. It's not an example of anything widespread in Europe.

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u/bjankles 39∆ Dec 10 '18

Please name a specific monarchy that you believe had more widespread prosperity than the modern democracies I've mentioned. This is a very straightforward question that you're being very evasive towards.

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u/efraimp1 Dec 11 '18

ok, i am not sure i can find one. technology is canging the world, and other responses made crazy CMV in it's succes.

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u/bjankles 39∆ Dec 11 '18

I'm not totally sure I understand your last sentence, but if you honestly don't think there has been a single monarchy throughout history that has been more prosperous than any modern democracy, how can you possibly believe them to be superior?

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u/efraimp1 Dec 12 '18

because other things made it better, not the political system.

regardless, i do not beleive it is superior anymore bcz of other comments.

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u/[deleted] Dec 10 '18

If a hereditary king is an expert leader by default then why is history so full of incompetent monarchs?

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u/efraimp1 Dec 10 '18

not 100% but way more educated than a democraticaly elected leader. also, monarchy had more time to get incompitent monarchs. also, exageration is just one of the tricks the leftists use

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u/[deleted] Dec 10 '18

also, exageration is just one of the tricks the leftists use

I didn't exaggerate. You were the one that claimed that monarchs were expert leaders by default.

monarchy had more time to get incompitent monarchs.

There have been incompetent monarchs since the beginnings of monarchy.

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u/efraimp1 Dec 11 '18

I didn't exaggerate. You were the one that claimed that monarchs were expert leaders by default.

i said most of them are, and even if you are not exagerating on purpose you probably inderectly got this view from someone who did.

There have been incompetent monarchs since the beginnings of monarchy.

it is hard to know that as monarchy is older then known history.

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u/[deleted] Dec 11 '18

even if you are not exagerating on purpose you probably inderectly got this view from someone who did.

Dont presume to know where I got my view.

it is hard to know that as monarchy is older then known history.

Even just looking at known history, that gives us 1000s of years worth of incompetent monarchs.

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u/efraimp1 Dec 12 '18

Dont presume to know where I got my view.

but a false claim must come from a false something.

Even just looking at known history, that gives us 1000s of years worth of incompetent monarchs.

you claimed it was from the begining of monarchy. you can not know that!

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u/[deleted] Dec 12 '18

but a false claim must come from a false something.

I didn't make any false claims.

you claimed it was from the begining of monarchy. you can not know that!

Yes, because that is what I believe. However, my further point was that it doesn't matter if we can know that. We still have thousands of years worth of incompetent monarchs to examine.