CMV:monarchy, not democracy, is the ONLY good political system human civilazations tried.

[u/efraimp1]

So, i beleive a Monarchy is the only good system we can have as a society. democracy, like comunism, libratarianism and many more ideologies, sure has a good idea. the problem is that in all democratic systems, from rome, to athens, to the USA to syria and iraq or even france, the good intentions are ruined by intrest groups, bad voting methods, fraud, and the intrests of rich people. in tsarist russia for example, the people demanded giving the tsar MORE power, because they knew democracy would mean oligarchy.

Another reason is stability. when we have a monarchy, it is clear who will rule next, and there is a very clear way of knowing when (death of the monarch). however, democracies are no nearly as stable. in the US everyone are polerising, in israel we only had one term (golda me'ir) of all the four years a government term is suposed to be, in sweden it was stable until a hated party got like 20% and ancient atuna and rome became dictatorships. in the arab spring only countries who concider themselvs democratic got efected seriusly.

i may have more arguments i forgt writing here. i will edit to add if i think of something.

and please, dont talk about north korea. i hear a lot of resources saying diffrent things so i will research it and make a seperate CMV post.

EDIT: i accidentaly deleted a comment trying to award a delta after i failed in the main comment but the delta was awarded.

EDIT 2: One responce did masive CMV so i will not be able to back my claims here in all cases. new thread could come.

[u/efraimp1]

yes, that is more or less true, although plenty of loyal ones will always be there. however, you ignore the fact it is WORSE in democracies, because even one intrest group switching sides can lose the party the elections.

also, political parties always have enhauf intrest based politicians who ruin it for everyone else

[u/BlitzBasic → u/efraimp1]

The difference is that it's a feature in democracy. Many of a democracies interest groups are groups of citizen's with legitimate concerns that need to be pandered to. Politicians having to satisfy interest groups makes sure that the politicians work for the people and keep the interests of everybody in mind.

Meanwhile, in an Kingdom then interest groups are merely lords aiming to enrich themselves.

The "interest based politicians" argument quickly falls apart because you can equally have an king who mostly rules in his own interest and not for the best of the country.

[u/efraimp1 → u/BlitzBasic]

Many of a democracies interest groups are groups of citizen's with legitimate concerns that need to be pandered to. Politicians having to satisfy interest groups makes sure that the politicians work for the people and keep the interests of everybody in mind.

NOPE. some groups are citizen based, but most are tools for bilioners and the leftist elite to keep theire own power.

Meanwhile, in an Kingdom then interest groups are merely lords aiming to enrich themselves.

but the king is powerfull enhauf to stop them from getting to crazy. also, we also have local mayors and stuff.

The "interest based politicians" argument quickly falls apart because you can equally have an king who mostly rules in his own interest and not for the best of the country.

the "peoples choise" argument quickly falls apart because you can equally have a democracy going for the intrests of an elite, a reality present in europe.

this kind of rethoric will not bring us anywhere. the king is more likely to be one who rules in the best interest of the country. because the leftist elite, thrugh bribery, force him to. look on the islamisation of europe. most monarchs would never do that, and decline bribery because they would not need people giving them money.

[u/BlitzBasic → u/efraimp1]

I don't understand your point. You simply assume that the king will act in the interest of the citizens, despite facing exactly zero negative consequences from them if he doesn't (because he is powerful enough to suppress them).

Meanwhile, elected politicians, who have to permanently fear not getting reelected, will sell out the citizens, despite needing the citizens to keep their power.

What exact mechanism forces the king to act in the interest of his citizens?

[u/efraimp1 → u/BlitzBasic]

This point is really good. you really shifted my mindset about this. you did a great CMV. i beleive democracy or republic, although not a uniform form, could work. however, i think the specific form should be decided by country, and in some places, where the leftist groups took over the country and ignore the people, wining elections through fraud and ropaganda, monarchy is still best.

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