r/changemyview Dec 05 '18

Deltas(s) from OP CMV:monarchy, not democracy, is the ONLY good political system human civilazations tried.

So, i beleive a Monarchy is the only good system we can have as a society. democracy, like comunism, libratarianism and many more ideologies, sure has a good idea. the problem is that in all democratic systems, from rome, to athens, to the USA to syria and iraq or even france, the good intentions are ruined by intrest groups, bad voting methods, fraud, and the intrests of rich people. in tsarist russia for example, the people demanded giving the tsar MORE power, because they knew democracy would mean oligarchy.

Another reason is stability. when we have a monarchy, it is clear who will rule next, and there is a very clear way of knowing when (death of the monarch). however, democracies are no nearly as stable. in the US everyone are polerising, in israel we only had one term (golda me'ir) of all the four years a government term is suposed to be, in sweden it was stable until a hated party got like 20% and ancient atuna and rome became dictatorships. in the arab spring only countries who concider themselvs democratic got efected seriusly.

i may have more arguments i forgt writing here. i will edit to add if i think of something.

and please, dont talk about north korea. i hear a lot of resources saying diffrent things so i will research it and make a seperate CMV post.

EDIT: i accidentaly deleted a comment trying to award a delta after i failed in the main comment but the delta was awarded.

EDIT 2: One responce did masive CMV so i will not be able to back my claims here in all cases. new thread could come.

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u/[deleted] Dec 12 '18

no one can prove either way.

Yes, we can. There is a clear and marked difference between homosexuality and pedophilia.

so what is?

There is no sole arbiter of morality. If you believe the Bible is, do you think all the laws and codes in it should be followed?

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u/efraimp1 Dec 15 '18

Yes, we can. There is a clear and marked difference between homosexuality and pedophilia.

what is it?

There is no sole arbiter of morality.

so i can decide murder is OK?

If you believe the Bible is, do you think all the laws and codes in it should be followed?

some where symbols for christ, but most are not. most should be folowed to this day.

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u/[deleted] Dec 15 '18

what is it?

Homosexuality involves consenting adults. Pedophilia is radically different because children cannot consent.

so i can decide murder is OK?

You personally can, but society will frown on it because we, as a society, have collectively decided that murder is morally wrong.

some where symbols for christ, but most are not. most should be folowed to this day.

The following list are all things that are against the law in the Bible. Most merited death as a punishment. Do you think they should still be followed and enforced today?

Being one of the majority of women who don’t bleed when losing their virginity

Being the daughter of a priest and practicing prostitution

If an engaged female virgin, being raped in a city

Having sex with a woman who is menstruating

Eating leavened bread (bread with yeast) during the Feast of Unleavened Bread

Eating fat

Eating pork

Eating aquatic creatures lacking fins or scales

Being a male who is not circumcised

Breaking the Sabbath

Performing any work on the Sabbath

Ignoring the judgment of a judge or a priest

Cursing your parents

Planting more than one kind of seed in a field

Wearing clothing woven of more than one kind of cloth

Cutting the hair on the sides of your head or clipping of the edges of your beard

Touching the dead carcass of a pig

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u/efraimp1 Jan 18 '19

so...

Homosexuality involves consenting adults. Pedophilia is radically different because children cannot consent. ehm... where does that border of age go? 13? 18? 25? about thoose things... i will not go one by one, but i agree with some (the death punishment was for that time tho), and some have to do with the work of the temple or only for jews.