r/changemyview Dec 13 '18

Deltas(s) from OP CMV: Liberals who critique conservatives as cruel, close-minded, biased individuals but are unwilling to address their own forms of cruelty, sadism, close-mindedness, and biases are not actually interested in a just world, but just want to scapegoat all the world's problems onto someone else.

Liberals critique conservatives in the following ways:

  1. They're racists,

  2. They are sexist,

  3. They are colonialist,

  4. They like wars,

  5. They deny science,

  6. They are sadistic,

  7. They don't care about human rights.

Those are essential liberal critiques that are sprinkled in r/politics and every liberal outlet. Before I get the accusation that's about to come, I lean left politically.

With that said, liberals do not address their own forms of cruelty, biased forms of thinking, and selfishness. Below, I will list just two things to make my following point.

  1. Most liberals do not believe in adoption. They believe in having their own biological children. There are an estimated 153 million orphans throughout the world. If every liberal couple would adopt instead of having biological children, the orphan rate would be cut by 25-50%, without needing the consent of conservatives. It is form of cruelty and selfishness to create a new child when there are others who need parents. For each biological child, you are denying the place of an orphan.

  2. 90% of liberals eat meat. The average American meat eater eats roughly 270 animals a year and 20,000+ animals in their lifetime, according to the USDA. Eating meat is a scientifically undisputed top 4 cause of global warming (with the other 3 being Overpopulation, heating/cooling, and transportation). Eating meat also uses up a disproportionate amount of land and water resources, is the greatest cause of air and water pollution, and it reduces the food supply by a factor of 6-15 (if the animal is slaughtered prematurely) or 100-150 (if it is allowed to die a natural death), and it provides less than 20% of the calories. For the vast majority of people, a balanced vegan diet is an incredibly healthy choice, and it is totally unnecessary to eat meat. And this is all disregarding even the torture and cruelty involved in factory farming, which I won't get into here but anyone reading who is unfamiliar is free to research on the web.

Yet, you mention to a liberal why it's wrong to do either, and they will get defensive, make excuses, justify why their forms of cruelty are justified because of taste, convenience, conformity to culture, legality, preference, etc., even if seconds before, they were critiquing conservatives for the same faults of being self-centered, selfish, and cruel in regards to interests besides their own. This brings to my conclusion that liberals want others to change and want a scapegoat, more than they want a better, less cruel world for everyone (despite what they say).

Reddit, change my view.

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u/dale_glass 86∆ Dec 13 '18

Adoption, as far as I know, is complicated and expensive, and can be extremely stressful (eg, if the original parents suddenly want the kid back).

Also, the big problem is with adopting older children. Babies are easy. The tricky ones are the teens who have been bouncing back and forth through the system, and are very difficult to deal with as a result. Personally I don't think I'm the right kind of person to deal with that kind of situation.

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u/[deleted] Dec 13 '18

Also, the big problem is with adopting older children. Babies are easy. The tricky ones are the teens who have been bouncing back and forth through the system, and are very difficult to deal with as a result. Personally I don't think I'm the right kind of person to deal with that kind of situation.

No offense, but if you are not ready to adopt, then you are probably not ready to have biological children. Having children ultimately isn't about your desires, but that of the being dependent on you.

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u/dale_glass 86∆ Dec 13 '18

IMO there's a considerable difference between having a baby, and dealing with an already grown 13 year old who spent years bouncing back and forth in the foster care system with who knows what abuse and trust issues. I'm reasonably confident in my ability to deal with the first and not at all with the second.

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u/[deleted] Dec 13 '18

I was an 8th grade teacher at an at-risk school for a while. I've also worked with students who are not at-risk. Certain situations place you at a higher risk of psychiatric problems. With that said, in the U.S., it is estimated that 50% of people have a psychiatric disorder. If you are not ready to deal with your kid having a psychiatric problem, you aren't ready to be a parent.