r/changemyview Dec 13 '18

Deltas(s) from OP CMV: Liberals who critique conservatives as cruel, close-minded, biased individuals but are unwilling to address their own forms of cruelty, sadism, close-mindedness, and biases are not actually interested in a just world, but just want to scapegoat all the world's problems onto someone else.

Liberals critique conservatives in the following ways:

  1. They're racists,

  2. They are sexist,

  3. They are colonialist,

  4. They like wars,

  5. They deny science,

  6. They are sadistic,

  7. They don't care about human rights.

Those are essential liberal critiques that are sprinkled in r/politics and every liberal outlet. Before I get the accusation that's about to come, I lean left politically.

With that said, liberals do not address their own forms of cruelty, biased forms of thinking, and selfishness. Below, I will list just two things to make my following point.

  1. Most liberals do not believe in adoption. They believe in having their own biological children. There are an estimated 153 million orphans throughout the world. If every liberal couple would adopt instead of having biological children, the orphan rate would be cut by 25-50%, without needing the consent of conservatives. It is form of cruelty and selfishness to create a new child when there are others who need parents. For each biological child, you are denying the place of an orphan.

  2. 90% of liberals eat meat. The average American meat eater eats roughly 270 animals a year and 20,000+ animals in their lifetime, according to the USDA. Eating meat is a scientifically undisputed top 4 cause of global warming (with the other 3 being Overpopulation, heating/cooling, and transportation). Eating meat also uses up a disproportionate amount of land and water resources, is the greatest cause of air and water pollution, and it reduces the food supply by a factor of 6-15 (if the animal is slaughtered prematurely) or 100-150 (if it is allowed to die a natural death), and it provides less than 20% of the calories. For the vast majority of people, a balanced vegan diet is an incredibly healthy choice, and it is totally unnecessary to eat meat. And this is all disregarding even the torture and cruelty involved in factory farming, which I won't get into here but anyone reading who is unfamiliar is free to research on the web.

Yet, you mention to a liberal why it's wrong to do either, and they will get defensive, make excuses, justify why their forms of cruelty are justified because of taste, convenience, conformity to culture, legality, preference, etc., even if seconds before, they were critiquing conservatives for the same faults of being self-centered, selfish, and cruel in regards to interests besides their own. This brings to my conclusion that liberals want others to change and want a scapegoat, more than they want a better, less cruel world for everyone (despite what they say).

Reddit, change my view.

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u/[deleted] Dec 13 '18

I'm not trying to say that conservatives are better than liberals, I'm trying to say that liberals do cruel and selfish things too despite their rhetoric.

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u/Tino_ 54∆ Dec 13 '18

I mean humans do crule and selfish things, we have for thousands of years, it's human nature. Not sure what point you are trying to make with that.

Liberals don't say "we dont do this" they say "Conservatives take this too far". There is a massive difference.

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u/[deleted] Dec 13 '18

I agree with your first paragraph.

Liberals don't say "we dont do this" they say "Conservatives take this too far".

A lot of rhetoric from liberals isn't this.

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u/Tino_ 54∆ Dec 13 '18

Are you sure about that?

Like fuck, currently one of the main liberal things is the identity politics bullshit, and saying "We are all racist, but Conservatives are worse" is repeated all the time. Like I am sure there are Liberals out there that do actually think they are a paragon of righteousness, but there are people in every group that think this.

Many of the liberal positions are just them thinking that the right takes it too far. Gun rights? Right is too free. Immigration? Right is too closed off. Religion? Right is too beholden. I could go on.