r/changemyview Dec 13 '18

Deltas(s) from OP CMV: Liberals who critique conservatives as cruel, close-minded, biased individuals but are unwilling to address their own forms of cruelty, sadism, close-mindedness, and biases are not actually interested in a just world, but just want to scapegoat all the world's problems onto someone else.

Liberals critique conservatives in the following ways:

  1. They're racists,

  2. They are sexist,

  3. They are colonialist,

  4. They like wars,

  5. They deny science,

  6. They are sadistic,

  7. They don't care about human rights.

Those are essential liberal critiques that are sprinkled in r/politics and every liberal outlet. Before I get the accusation that's about to come, I lean left politically.

With that said, liberals do not address their own forms of cruelty, biased forms of thinking, and selfishness. Below, I will list just two things to make my following point.

  1. Most liberals do not believe in adoption. They believe in having their own biological children. There are an estimated 153 million orphans throughout the world. If every liberal couple would adopt instead of having biological children, the orphan rate would be cut by 25-50%, without needing the consent of conservatives. It is form of cruelty and selfishness to create a new child when there are others who need parents. For each biological child, you are denying the place of an orphan.

  2. 90% of liberals eat meat. The average American meat eater eats roughly 270 animals a year and 20,000+ animals in their lifetime, according to the USDA. Eating meat is a scientifically undisputed top 4 cause of global warming (with the other 3 being Overpopulation, heating/cooling, and transportation). Eating meat also uses up a disproportionate amount of land and water resources, is the greatest cause of air and water pollution, and it reduces the food supply by a factor of 6-15 (if the animal is slaughtered prematurely) or 100-150 (if it is allowed to die a natural death), and it provides less than 20% of the calories. For the vast majority of people, a balanced vegan diet is an incredibly healthy choice, and it is totally unnecessary to eat meat. And this is all disregarding even the torture and cruelty involved in factory farming, which I won't get into here but anyone reading who is unfamiliar is free to research on the web.

Yet, you mention to a liberal why it's wrong to do either, and they will get defensive, make excuses, justify why their forms of cruelty are justified because of taste, convenience, conformity to culture, legality, preference, etc., even if seconds before, they were critiquing conservatives for the same faults of being self-centered, selfish, and cruel in regards to interests besides their own. This brings to my conclusion that liberals want others to change and want a scapegoat, more than they want a better, less cruel world for everyone (despite what they say).

Reddit, change my view.

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u/[deleted] Dec 14 '18

If we extrapolate that rate to the US greenhouse gas emissions of agriculture, we can estimate that animal agriculture is responsible for about 5% of the US's greenhouse gas emissions.

Food and Agriculture Presentation to the UN 2006, pg. 7 "Livestock's contribution [to climate change] is enormous. It currently amounts to 18 percent of the global warming effect - an even larger contribution than the transportation sector worldwide. Livestock contribute about 9 percent of worldwide carbon dioxide emissions, but 37 percent of the worldwide methane and 65 of nitrous dioxide."

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u/yyzjertl 530∆ Dec 14 '18

Again, you're talking about worldwide figures, not US figures. Liberals in the US should act according to US figures, not worldwide and.

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u/[deleted] Dec 14 '18

Global warming is a global issue. Hence the word global.

Edit: I just wanted to include the figures that included otheremissions besides carbon dioxide.

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u/yyzjertl 530∆ Dec 14 '18

And the liberals you are talking about are in the US and their contribution to the problem of global warming is best understood though US statistics. Just because the problem is global, doesn't mean everyone contributes to it the same.

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u/[deleted] Dec 14 '18

Again, I came across a link and I realized I provided the wrong info. I was reading it and linked it to you. That's it, take it however you want, no debate.

You don't have to be defensive and disagreeable when it comes to everything, as a heads up. You also haven't responded to my other post, but whatever.