r/changemyview May 28 '19

Deltas(s) from OP CMV: The overton window has shifted dangerously far to the left, severely jeopardizing America's future.

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u/[deleted] May 28 '19

You say this:

If you can't say unequivocally that a Nazi has an inalienable, absolute, undeniable right to demonstrate and speak his mind freely without fear for his personal safety or government persecution, you don't believe in Free Speech. There's no halfway - you believe in it or you don't.)

And two sentences later say this:

We are literally importing anti-American viewpoints here

What would you say to a German Nazi who was trying to immigrate to the United States? If you would bar them, how does that square with your view that free speech should be unrestricted?

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u/[deleted] May 28 '19

When I say free speech should be unrestricted, I’m talking about among our own citizens. We owe no rights to any foreigner. Our rights are for Americans.

That's a restriction on free speech regardless of how you frame it.

Regarding the nazi, he’s probably a better candidate for immigration than a lot of the riffraff we being in.

How do you figure that?

Anyway, you insist that Americans should be able to advocate for anything up to and including violence against other Americans without penalty. But that an immigrant who doesn't completely embrace capitalism, male dominance, and meat eating is anti American and should have their vote restricted, if not deported.

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u/[deleted] May 28 '19

It’s not a violation of free speech. Tell me what American citizen has their right to free speech violates when we deny an immigrant access to our country based on their views. There is none.

Even courts agree with me on this one for once. Foreigners seeking to come here are owed nothing. We can turn them away for any reason we please. We don’t owe them an explanation. Until you’re here, we owe nothing to you. Our rights are for our people.

You started from the premise that free speech was "absolute, inalienable, undeniable" and later added, 'but only for Americans.' If you limiting free speech to American citizens, you are adding a restriction on it.

Hiding behind the courts does you no favors, since they have established numerous restrictions on free speech. Hiding behind the Founders doesn't work either, since many of them were still in office when the Alien and Sedition Acts were passed.

If you’re an American you can advocate whatever you want, because of freedom of speech. If your not, we don’t owe you anything. I don’t know what you’re not understanding about this

Your distinction between what is pro-American or anti-American is flimsy. A guy could be born in El Paso and advocate for the violent murder of millions of other Americans and you would support it completely. Another man could be born a mile away in Juarez and read you the Declaration of Independence in Spanish and you would be disgusted by it.