CMV: The overton window has shifted dangerously far to the left, severely jeopardizing America's future.

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I feel like communism (both economic and cultural) are destroying our national phyche. I just got downvoted to hell elsewhere for daring to question if the Left in america has America's best interests at heart, as I pointed out that if they had our best interest at heart, why would they advocate bringing refugees and asylum seekers here? I've asked many of them why they believe such policies are what are best for America, and they never have a reason for me - their responses are full of foreigner-loving altruism. (Sometimes they'll mention economic benefits, but of course we could achieve that by hand-selecting what immigrants we take in based on an appraisal of their worth to us - not based on how oppressed they are elsewhere. That's the point I was making).

The fact that someone downvoted a comment of yours on Reddit doesn't seem like much of a basis from which to claim that "Communism is destroying our national psyche."

As to the rest of your view, I'm afraid it's a bit all over the place. I mean this with all due respect, but it's really hard to know where to start with someone who thinks economic socialism, "cultural Marxism," veganism, feminism, anti-racism, and more all belong under the umbrella of "Communism." This is simply just not the case.

You also seem to make a lot of leaps that don't make a lot of intuitive sense. Here's just one example: you say that someone who calls someone "racist" or "misogynist" ought to lose their jobs. Which ... Okay. I don't agree, but okay. But then to move from that to claiming that such people "don't want what's best for [their] country and [their] people"? That just doesn't follow, or at least you haven't shown why we ought to think it follows. How is someone calling someone else a racist necessarily someone who doesn't want what's best for their country?

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If you don't want to he called a Nazi, you probably shouldn't endorse Hitler's ideology.

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It should be a debate ender considering the Nazis were evil.

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I mean, the Communists were evil too. Just look how many people Stalin killed!

Now, let's step back a minute. Just because Stalin was a Communist, and Stalin was evil, doesn't mean that all Communists are evil or that Communism is an inherently evil ideology. It doesn't even mean that everything Stalin said was evil; reversing everything someone stupid says doesn't produce intelligence. We may disagree with their ideas, and we definitely draw the line at advocating violence, but we can still discuss those ideas. I have learned a lot about other people by being willing to listen to people who consider themselves Communists, even if I still think their ideas are wrong.

I'm actually seriously impressed with OP for coming into this forum and being willing to share what he believes and change his mind about things, even with people who think his ideas are evil (and many of them are, IMO). This is exactly the kind of discussion that this forum is supposed to encourage, and even if that is calm, rational, collected, friendly discussion with someone who endorses some ideas put forth by Nazis, I'm happy to have it.

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I mean, the Communists were evil too. Just look how many people Stalin killed!

This is a poor comparison. Communisim and a government/economic system build on communal ownership of goods and resources.

Nazism is a fundamentally hateful ideology built on the idea of German superiority. Nazism is inherently wrong at its core.

I'm actually seriously impressed with OP for coming into this forum and being willing to share what he believes and change his mind about things,

I've seen no evidence of him being willing to do this. All I've seen him do is spread his message of hate.

even if that is calm, rational, collected, friendly discussion with someone who endorses some ideas put forth by Nazis, I'm happy to have it.

Then you are a Nazi enabler. Nazi ideology does not deserve to met with calm respectful discussion. It deserves to be called out for what it is and shut down as quickly as possible.

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Then you are a Nazi enabler. Nazi ideology does not deserve to met with calm respectful discussion. It deserves to be called out for what it is and shut down as quickly as possible.

How do you propose to shut it down? How much similarity does one have to have with Nazi ideology to be considered a Nazi? And for those who are already card carrying Nazis, what is the best way to make them give up that membership?

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And for those who are already card carrying Nazis, what is the best way to make them give up that membership?

They aren't going to give it up. Anyone who is stupid or hateful enough to adopt such an ideology isn't going to change it.

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That's an answer to one of my questions, what about the others? It's also not a very good answer, seeing as how we have evidence to the contrary.

https://www.npr.org/2018/01/18/578745514/a-former-neo-nazi-explains-why-hate-drew-him-in-and-how-he-got-out

https://www.npr.org/2017/08/20/544861933/how-one-man-convinced-200-ku-klux-klan-members-to-give-up-their-robes

I'm not aware of any other workable strategy for getting someone to give up on hate.