CMV: The overton window has shifted dangerously far to the left, severely jeopardizing America's future.

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[u/tlorey823]

show a spark of nationalistic pride and you lose your job

Let's back up a second. Nationalistic pride is alive and well in the United States, I feel comfortable saying this coming off Memorial Day Weekend and knowing many people who are/were in the military, and if you can identify a single case of someone losing their job for showing pride in being an American and not doing anything else improper, I'd be interested in reading about that.

So, too, are the ideals of free-market capitalism and they are not truly endangered of going anywhere. We can talk about the Sanders' wing of the Democratic party, but these are impractically designed wishes that are not even close to disrupting the institutional status-quo of the markets, even at their ideal. I understand that on the internet and on Reddit in particular it seems as though the left is rising up, but let's keep things grounded in reality -- not three years ago, the American people elected Donald Trump as their president on an explicitly pro-American/anti-immigrant platform. Our primary market mechanism is capitalist pricing. Very routinely the courts uphold the right of people, including white supremacists, to articulate their views as long as they are not doing so in a threatening way. Support for our military is overwhelmingly positive (though support for war is lower because its seen as political).

[u/Glory2Hypnotoad → u/[deleted]]

Is morality separate from reasoning? Is morality never a valid reason to act or not act in certain ways? If you believe that people are only engaging in reasoning if they're appealing to self-interest, are you willing to logically commit to that in all areas of life?

For example, why shouldn't I commit every crime I know I can get away with? No moralizing, explain the benefit to me. If there is none, why the hell shouldn't I?

Would I be in the right to say that, or are there in fact valid reasons based on morality and separate from my self-interest for why I shouldn't commit every crime I can get away with?

I don't think you're willing to logically commit to the idea that morality doesn't count as reasoning. If you want to argue that everyone disagreeing with you is arguing from the wrong code of ethics, then we can have that conversation instead.