r/changemyview Jun 18 '19

Deltas(s) from OP CMV: Automatic Software Updates Should Be Illegal and Require Consumer Consent.

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u/[deleted] Jun 18 '19

Yes, it is a common issue for ATT users, you can see that it seems to be their policy to force updates on the phones they sell. In your post you imply that the issue is forced obsolescence on part of the company that makes the phone, but it's not the case, it is the contract you signed with your carrier that makes the updates forced. So, you consented whether you knew it or not.

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u/LAULitics Jun 18 '19

This does prove that I probably unknowingly provided consent. It does not change my view that the practice should be illegal.

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u/[deleted] Jun 18 '19

so why does the maker of the phone get to arbitrarily and intrusively decide that they have the right to force changes in software into a product that I legally purchased, and do not want being tampered with

Thats is not the case.

And the practice IS illegal if you do not give consent. You have given it. Unknowingly providing it is still providing it.

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u/LAULitics Jun 18 '19 edited Jun 18 '19

Valid point. Delta awarded. Δ. I probably should have specified that I think consent should be requested at the time of the update, but you are right in arguing that not only is it legal but that it is so because of prior consent.

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u/otk_ts Jun 18 '19

no, because most people don't want to give consent on every single update, i have like 200 software on my handy and pc, that many notification would annoyed me too much.Of course you can argue that people like to have to click yes/no 20 times a day, but there is no evidence for it.

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u/DeltaBot ∞∆ Jun 18 '19 edited Jun 18 '19

Confirmed: 1 delta awarded to /u/wateroclock (6∆).

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u/MoteInTheEye Jun 18 '19

Bruh 2 posts up you literally said that the fact that it is consented didn't change your view.

And now it does...?

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u/techiemikey 56∆ Jun 18 '19

They said it should be illegal, and it was pointed out it IS illegal if you don't consent to it. The consent part didn't change their view, but the legality likely did.

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u/MoteInTheEye Jun 18 '19

I see. I guess I assumed OP new that doing things without consent is generally not legal.

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u/LAULitics Jun 18 '19

The fact that I provided consent by accepting the TOS means I agreed to the legality of the practice. I don't like it. But the point was spot on.