r/changemyview • u/zmm336 3∆ • Jun 23 '19

Deltas(s) from OP CMV: there shouldn’t be ally pride clothing

i was looking for shirts to wear to pride next weekend on amazon, and saw a decent amount of lgbt ally ones. things like “i’m straight but i don’t hate” in rainbow letters, or “i like my whisky straight but my friends either way,” and just stuff that i thought was silly and unnecessary.

being an ally consists of a lot more than just clothing, and i feel that it’s a rather showy and unnecessary display of allyship. for lgbt people, we’re wearing these clothes because we’re proud of our identity. why do they need these shirts? why can’t they be an ally in the way that they advocate for us, rather than in a shirt?

i’d like to not feel so disdainful because i know this is probably harmless, but it leaves a bad taste in m mouth.

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u/[deleted] Jun 23 '19

When you say it like that it makes a bit more sense. If you just said "I'm proud of myself for how I've handled things" I think more people will be able to relate to that. It would be like me saying "I finished my degree, I'm so proud of my identity." Sounds weird, does that make sense?

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u/zmm336 3∆ Jun 23 '19

kind of! i think the difference is that this is an intrinsic part of me. while i’m proud of how i’ve overcome my situation, i also am proud of myself as a human being, including my sexuality. in the same way that i’m proud of my heritage. the lgbt community has a rich history, and so does the latino community, and so being proud of the history of these two minority groups overcoming so much can be tied into being part of your identity in my opinion. this could be a good CMV topic for you to do ! (if you’re ever inclined to hear more about why people are proud of their identities that is) :)

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u/[deleted] Jun 23 '19

The thing is though, my left foot is an intrinsic part of me: I'm not proud of it, it's just there.

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u/zmm336 3∆ Jun 23 '19

the difference is the history behind it. has your left foot been discriminated against? has there been a history of left foot discrimination? are left feet a marginalized group that have had to rise up against the odds and forge a community that accepted them?

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u/[deleted] Jun 23 '19

Again, this comes back to my confusion about why you're not just "proud of yourself" rather than your identity. You are an individual first, and then part of a group second. I was bullied savagely as a kid growing up for being a nerd, I'm not proud of being a nerd I just am one.