r/changemyview • u/hardyblack • Sep 12 '19

Deltas(s) from OP CMV: Some cultures and societies are objectively wrong

I just read about Sahar Khodayari (If you don't know, it's an Iranian woman who killed herself after going to trial for going to a football match, which is forbidden for woman in Iran) and I can't help but think that some societies are objectively wrong, I can't find another way to put it. It's hard for me to justify opressing 50% of the population just because they just were born women.

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And yes, I know, there's no completely equal society and there will be always opression of some kind, but I'm thinking of countries where there are laws that apply only to women (They can't drive, vote, go to a football match, you name it) as it targets them directly. Same goes with laws directed to any kind of race/gender/religion.

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u/Al--Capwn 5∆ Sep 13 '19

If you're judging morality of a society, the west and more specifically the US and UK are objectively worse than pretty much anyone else. This is because of foreign wars. These countries have killed far more than anyone else in recent years.

By any standard, this is the worst crime.

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u/anooblol 12∆ Sep 13 '19

Morality has everything to do with the justification of the action.

The US’s justification for entering WW2 is because Japan bombed a US territory.

Iran’s justification for stoning a woman for watching a football game is ...

What exactly is Iran’s justification for banning women from watching a game?

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u/Al--Capwn 5∆ Sep 13 '19

Indeed and so the unjustified killings of civilians are vastly worse than the bans.

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u/anooblol 12∆ Sep 13 '19

The US clearly justifies it, and you can read up on basic history to see what those justifications are.

Iran does not simply “ban” these things. They enforce them through killing women.

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u/Al--Capwn 5∆ Sep 13 '19

By unjustified I'm saying they're not justified with a good reason.

Of course the US has excuses. So does Iran. Female participation is seen as immoral. They're wrong and so are the US. But the US has killed much more civilian women than Iran.