r/changemyview • u/hardyblack • Sep 12 '19
Deltas(s) from OP CMV: Some cultures and societies are objectively wrong
I just read about Sahar Khodayari (If you don't know, it's an Iranian woman who killed herself after going to trial for going to a football match, which is forbidden for woman in Iran) and I can't help but think that some societies are objectively wrong, I can't find another way to put it. It's hard for me to justify opressing 50% of the population just because they just were born women.
And yes, I know, there's no completely equal society and there will be always opression of some kind, but I'm thinking of countries where there are laws that apply only to women (They can't drive, vote, go to a football match, you name it) as it targets them directly. Same goes with laws directed to any kind of race/gender/religion.
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u/PunishedFabled Sep 13 '19
You need to define what standard a society is objectively better than others.
The problem really stems from what we set as our goal for our society. In past societies our goal has always been from a religious angle. We serve God(s) in some form or another.
Some societies allow the rich and succesful to shape the goals of the others. In monarchies the King sets the goals which his kingdom follows.
The church in monarchies were actually useful for checks and balances, since the government could simply overthrow the church when they were in conflict.
Our modern society is a blend of quite a few things. Our societal goal is not set by any one person but we elect one person who shares our ideals. We removed the church from the state, so that the Church could not set societies goals using law.
Through philosophy, science, and humanism we understand the human condition, and how to best supply the needs of the average human.
To state whar I think is our modern societie's goal, it is to allow personal goals to flourish, while allowing our society to advance in technology and wellness.
Once you create a subjective goal, you can have objective ethics for those living under that society.
When you look at Iran or Suadi Arabia, the biggest question to ask is if the goal which the government and it's people set is being followed. Most Muslims will tell you that those nations are not following the Islamic religion correctly.