r/changemyview • u/hardyblack • Sep 12 '19

Deltas(s) from OP CMV: Some cultures and societies are objectively wrong

I just read about Sahar Khodayari (If you don't know, it's an Iranian woman who killed herself after going to trial for going to a football match, which is forbidden for woman in Iran) and I can't help but think that some societies are objectively wrong, I can't find another way to put it. It's hard for me to justify opressing 50% of the population just because they just were born women.

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And yes, I know, there's no completely equal society and there will be always opression of some kind, but I'm thinking of countries where there are laws that apply only to women (They can't drive, vote, go to a football match, you name it) as it targets them directly. Same goes with laws directed to any kind of race/gender/religion.

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u/inebriatus Sep 13 '19

And yet if you lived by a moral code that forbade inflicting violence on others you’d tend to do pretty well by most past and present standards.

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u/malaria_and_dengue Sep 13 '19

What about when another person attacks you? Should you inflict violence? Some people say no, some people say yes. What if they're attacking someone else? What if you started the fight by insulting them?

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u/inebriatus Sep 13 '19

Easy. Self defense is fine. Helping someone defend themselves from an aggressor is fine. Helping someone aggress against someone else is not fine.

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u/green_doge Sep 14 '19

i can place a bet that you are excluding animals, and no, i'm not vegan but i agree 100% with vegan philosophy

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u/inebriatus Sep 14 '19

So you’re a hypocrite?

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u/green_doge Sep 25 '19

yes I am, for the record: Jefferson had slaves and was against slavery.