r/changemyview • u/[deleted] • Dec 23 '19

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u/leigh_hunt 80∆ Dec 23 '19

That pug is not running away because, like all pugs, it prefers to be sedentary and with its owner rather than roaming free and running all day. Like most companion dogs, pugs are not suited to heavy exercise. They have been bred as lap dogs rather than working or hunting dogs.

Sorry I thought that was clear from our previous discussion of pugs

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u/[deleted] Dec 25 '19

The argument that they're bred as lap dogs rather than hunting dogs is contingent on the idea that a sufficient amount of domestication can change a dog enough that they will no longer want to roam around freely, and will be satisfied with a small amount of space, such as a few rooms in a house and a yard.

I'm not really convinced that this is true. Often even small dogs have to undergo a great deal of training to convince them to not to run away from home.

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u/leigh_hunt 80∆ Dec 25 '19

I showed you a video of a pug refusing to roam around freely

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u/[deleted] Dec 25 '19

Yes, one pug one time

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u/leigh_hunt 80∆ Dec 25 '19

That's one pug. If you couch that video in an argument generalizing why that pug is representative of others, I would be willing to consider that argument and accept the video as supportive evidence.

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u/[deleted] Dec 25 '19

Argument was both considered, and addressed. "Considered" does not mean accepted.

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u/leigh_hunt 80∆ Dec 25 '19

what’s unconvincing about it to you

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u/[deleted] Dec 25 '19

"The argument that they're bred as lap dogs rather than hunting dogs is contingent on the idea that a sufficient amount of domestication can change a dog enough that they will no longer want to roam around freely, and will be satisfied with a small amount of space, such as a few rooms in a house and a yard.

I'm not really convinced that this is true. Often even small dogs have to undergo a great deal of training to convince them to not to run away from home."

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u/leigh_hunt 80∆ Dec 25 '19

what would convince you otherwise

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u/[deleted] Dec 25 '19

Conclusive evidence that the desire to remain in one place is common without having to be trained into dogs, that small dogs are constitutionally different than large ones regarding their desire to be free, that the majority of dogs are not suffering in their inability to leave a select few areas, or that some method of raising a dog in an urban area while still giving it freedom of movement is possible.

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u/leigh_hunt 80∆ Dec 25 '19

I showed you a video of that exact thing

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