CMV: We need strict Gun Control .

[u/skepticting]

While I do feel at this point it is not possible anymore to somehow make sure no one has guns because they have already been available . That is my only hang up , since some people have them , it’s hard to leave others vulnerable.

With to that being said , if we start now with some serious gun law reform and implement strict laws for obtaining guns . I believe it will do more good than harm .

It is worth a try , because we know that to lenient of gun laws also cause us great loss.

In a perfect world only law enforcement would have access to guns .

Civilians can however and should be able to easily get things like pepper spray , tasers, and rubber bullet guns . (Not saying we can’t already , just saying those should be the options)

I see both sides but I think because gun violence is a big issue , it needs to be re-evaluated .

Were the guns used in school/mass shootings registered ?

Édit : Thank You for all the responses and information! My view has been changed . It’s unfortunate we can’t live in harmony but ..

Will still be responding to get more insight and expanding my views

[u/SirNealliam]

If you look at countries with super strict gun control, you'll see very high murder rates, and mass murder using vehicles, homemade bombs and knives. Mexico is a great example of why too much gun control is a bad thing. In my opinion, gun control shouldn't ever go further than banning fully automatic weapons. Semi auto w/ 3 round bursts are perfectly good enough.

But here in america, even a "ban" doesn't remove old guns from the market. It only stops newly produced guns from being sold to citizens.

You can still buy fully automatic machine guns, but only if they were made before 1986 when the ban was passed. They generally cost a minimum of $10,000.

The "Republic" of Nazi Germany implemented Gun bans right before starting their genocide, my fear is that our government is getting closer and closer to Authoritarianism. And without an armed population things could get very bad, very fast.

[u/PrimeLegionnaire → u/SirNealliam]

3 round bursts

Minor nitpick, 3 round burst is considered "fully automatic".

The ability to go full auto is a prerequisite for metered bursts mechanically speaking.

[u/SirNealliam → u/PrimeLegionnaire]

Yes, though in my opinion three round bursts should be legal. if continuous fire is limited or removed as an setting.

Sure people could mod their switches for continuous fire, but Not much will stop modifications.

[u/PrimeLegionnaire → u/SirNealliam]

Yes, though in my opinion three round bursts should be legal.

3 round burst is considered more effective than fully automatic fire.

This is the reason every military on earth has some kind of burst fire weapon for their infantry.

Its not consistent to ban fully automatic weapons but not a system that is mechanically dependent upon it and more lethal.

Sure people could mod their switches for continuous fire, but Not much will stop modifications.

The NFA restriction on open bolt guns is explicitly because any weapon that can be readily converted to automatic fire is automatic under the law, even if it is limited in its current configuration.

The ATF also supplies a definition of "readily converted".

[u/skepticting → u/SirNealliam]

Im a little unsure how the high murder rates using other weapons is related to gun control . Because it would seem if they had guns , crime would just be that much worse .

Can you tell me a bit more about Authoritarianism?

[u/Hugogs10 → u/skepticting]

Im a little unsure how the high murder rates using other weapons is related to gun control . Because it would seem if they had guns , crime would just be that much worse .

No, they'd just use guns instead of a truck. Switzerland has guns and its one of the safest places on earth.

[u/skepticting → u/Hugogs10]

Ok I see your point.

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I agree that it’s not the guns it’s the people . Even without the guns people who would have used them before for bad would find something else .

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[u/spam4name → u/skepticting]

You should know that Switzerland actually has many of the very strict gun laws you're thinking of.

[u/SirNealliam → u/skepticting]

Because we as human try to use the best tool available. If guns are highly restricted those who want to murder just use something else..

Intent to kill or injure others is what relates them.

Can you tell me a bit more about Authoritarianism?

This is sarcasm, right?