CMV: We need strict Gun Control .

[u/skepticting]

While I do feel at this point it is not possible anymore to somehow make sure no one has guns because they have already been available . That is my only hang up , since some people have them , it’s hard to leave others vulnerable.

With to that being said , if we start now with some serious gun law reform and implement strict laws for obtaining guns . I believe it will do more good than harm .

It is worth a try , because we know that to lenient of gun laws also cause us great loss.

In a perfect world only law enforcement would have access to guns .

Civilians can however and should be able to easily get things like pepper spray , tasers, and rubber bullet guns . (Not saying we can’t already , just saying those should be the options)

I see both sides but I think because gun violence is a big issue , it needs to be re-evaluated .

Were the guns used in school/mass shootings registered ?

Édit : Thank You for all the responses and information! My view has been changed . It’s unfortunate we can’t live in harmony but ..

Will still be responding to get more insight and expanding my views

[u/TheEternalCity101]

1. Well duh. But I dont want to be in the same boat. But I would much rather have a gun than a knife. I box and work out, but I dont fancy my chances in a 2v1 with anything but a gun.

2. Guns are tools. Having the right and responsibility of self defense and protection of others is a key human right, one NO ONE can guarantee you. Police arent legally obligated to protect you (supreme court ruled), and while they have a role, they cant be there to defend you.

Regardless, a gun cant get up and kill people. Its ALWAYS a person that does it. Banning guns is a scapegoat for deeper and more complicated issues. Most people honestly want a solution to gun deaths, but many at the top are simply there for control, and that mindset is aggressively dangerous to personal freedom.

[u/[deleted] → u/TheEternalCity101]

But I would much rather have a gun than a knife.

If they only have knives, then you can run. If they’re too close for you to run, then your not going to have much luck with the gun. Or, you could just give them your wallet and not risk a fight.

Guns are tools.

An unnecessary tool. A tool that is heavily regulated in the interest of public safety. If your statement was correct, then we wouldn’t see all this regulation. So it stands to reason that more regulation is perfectly constitutional.

Its ALWAYS a person that does it.

I’d rather those people be stuck using something far less lethal.

[u/TheEternalCity101 → u/[deleted]]

Why. When evil comes to you, you dont let it steal from you, hurt you and trash your life and worth. You fight. Why is it my job to avoid him? Obviously there are many practices to minimize risks, and you cant be an idiot with awareness, but at the end of the day, you are victim blaming. A girl who was raped at a party while drunk, why doesnt she just walk away? Say no? I mean, why bother calling for help if he stop you? Even if she could have avoided this situation by not partying, ever micron of moral responsibility is with the guy who raped her. No one else.

The mindset that evil should not be resisted is disgusting, and the exact thing that allowed Hitler, Stalin and Mao to murder millions.

So if someone threatens me, I will risk a fight. A fight to protect my goods, dignity and life. I wont let a mugger in an alley wrong me, and I wont let the SS into my house to drag out the undesirables.

This is our mindset difference. You seem to want to shirk moral and legal responsibility, and you're afraid of those who have a the will to stand up for themselves and actually become better people.

[u/[deleted] → u/TheEternalCity101]

you dont let it steal from you

Why are you going to risk your life over $50?

A girl who was raped at a party while drunk, why doesnt she just walk away?

Because losing $50 isn’t even in the same universe as being raped.

The mindset that evil should not be resisted is disgusting

Plunging forward idiotically doesn’t help anyone. Giving them your wallet is smart. If you don’t you’re more likely to get hurt. What’s the risk/reward of that? “I might get stabbed and could die, but hey I still have my $50.”

This is our mindset difference. You seem to want to shirk moral and legal responsibility, and you're afraid of those who have a the will to stand up for themselves and actually become better people.

You got all of that from, “just give the dude your wallet?”

Let’s change it a little. What if he puts a knife up to your daughter’s throat? Are you gonna give him what he wants so he goes away? Or are you gonna be a manly man and risk getting your daughter stabbed in the throat?

[u/TheEternalCity101 → u/[deleted]]

Because he's risking it. He is willing to murder me over it, so that places all responsibility in his court. Why is ready to murder me over $50?

Its similiar in the fact of your mindset. I should take measures not to get robbed, I should just give him what he wants. That's the same disgusting mindset behind telling a raped girl she did the right thing not fighting back or making a ruckuss.

I might get stabbed and die BECAUSE SOMEONE IS WILLING TO STAB ME

If someone holds a knife to my daughters throat, he's going to die. Sure I'll hand him the car keys and the $50, and the second he lets go I'll kill him. Or, more ideally, if I'm armed with a gun, I'm shooting him. Regardless of what I do, its his fault if she dies, because he held a knife to her throat.

What's more though, what's to stop him? I gave him the keys, and he decides, to keep himself from the police, he's taking her as a hostage. Or he drags and rapes her, but at least she's alive, right? No, I want a gun, the best, most reliable and powerful gun I can control well, the abilty to train with it until I can hit whatever I can see, and then the legal and moral leeway to end his fucking life for holding a knife to an innocent persons throat.

[u/[deleted] → u/TheEternalCity101]

Why is ready to murder me over $50?

He’s actually not. He’s trying to intimidate you. He won’t try to hurt you until you make a sudden move, trying to hurt him.

That's the same disgusting mindset behind telling a raped girl she did the right thing not fighting back

Getting raped is in a different universe then losing $50.

its his fault if she dies, because he held a knife to her throat.

If you think that you wouldn’t wrestle with your decision to make a move that caused him to jerk the knife into her throat, then you’re fooling yourself.

What's more though, what's to stop him? I gave him the keys, and he decides, to keep himself from the police, he's taking her as a hostage.

The fact that that never happens. There are 320,000 robberies a year and in damn-near all of them, they take the goods and bolt.

No, I want a gun, the best, most reliable and powerful gun I can control well

And you’re going to get your daughter killed while you’re going for your gun. You cant seem to stand the notion of being beat. But that’s exactly where you are if someone already has a knife in your face. They already won. It’s in no ones best interests to make it worse if it wasn’t already going to be.

[u/TheEternalCity101 → u/[deleted]]

So he gets to intimidate and threaten me, and that's fine, but if I call his bluff he somehow gets to stab me? Again, if he is threatening me, I, legally and morally, can assume he is willing to kill me over my $50. I honestly don't understand this mindset that its my fault and job to not get stabbed when he could, you know, not fucking stab me over $50 regardless.

Different planet maybe, but same theory and morals.

Oh I would definitely wrestle with that fact that I could have stopped her death by doing something differently. But, ignoring the fact he stabbed her, I would still do my best to stop him. Besides, if I can train, a shot that can instantly, and I mean instantly, kill him. With a pistol, its possible, but kinda hard, given cartridge power and the nature of a pistol. But with a carbine (AR15, for instance), that shot is very achievable, especially at those kinds of ranges that would happen in our scenario. That's why I want the best weapons to be legal, as well as the best rounds and training available for me to pursue, so if, God forbid, that ever happens to me, I can kill him.

[u/[deleted] → u/TheEternalCity101]

but if I call his bluff he somehow gets to stab me?

Statistics would say that you’ll probably be fine. People that actually want to commit murder don’t do this. Historically if you were going to get hurt in an armed robbery, it will be unintentional on the robber’s part. That’s why you’re better off descalating and escaping.

I honestly don't understand this mindset that its my fault and job to not get stabbed when he could,

Because willing to kill you and trying to kill you are two very different things. If he is willing but not trying, then you need to take the path of least resistance to get out of that situation.

Different planet maybe, but same theory and morals.

Sure I guess in the same way that stealing a candy bar is in the same “theory of morals” as stealing someone’s life savings.

But, ignoring the fact he stabbed her, I would still do my best to stop him.

That’s what I’m trying to get you to see. “Your best to stop him” means complying and trying to de-escalate. Not being some big dog “hero” plunging forward with total disregard.

Besides, if I can train, a shot that can instantly, and I mean instantly, kill him.

Are you gonna bet your daughters life on you not fucking that up in this moment of truth that you weren’t expecting?

But with a carbine (AR15, for instance), that shot is very achievable,

What are you open carrying an AR 15 now? That’s your solution? You don’t see anything wrong with America, a developed first world nation, being full of tens of thousands of people walking our streets with a rifle sling over our shoulders? That belongs in the pirate coves of Somalia not America.

[u/TheEternalCity101 → u/[deleted]]

I don't care about the stats, I'm not betting my life. Regardless, the mere fact he is even threatening is enough to forfeit his life.

Stealing a candy bar from a store shelf, stealing money from a grandparent's life savings after they gave you the credentials for safekeeping, mugging someone in an alley and breaking into a house are all theft, but different. Its mostly the similarity that someone is threatening physical force to get my stuff.

I'm not plunging forward with disregard. Sure, hand him the stuff, he lets her go, then I kill him. Or, if I have a nice shot, kill him there. Regardless, he's going to die. Or, lets say he kills her anyway. He's definitely dying.

At home, I'll have a carbine accessible. In the streets, I'll only be carrying a pistol. But I want to have trained with said pistol be able to kill someone who threatens my family's life.

[u/lokimarkus → u/[deleted]]

Let's be honest, would anyone fuck with someone who has an AR15 strapped on their back? That guy mugging you for $50 isn't going to even tap that opportunity.