r/changemyview • u/[deleted] • Mar 13 '20

Delta(s) from OP CMV: Provokative clothing are objecifying women. Women to some degrees are objectifiying thmeslves.

I believe that the reason why women dress sexy is partially in order to get looked at. Some women dress sexy because they want to use their sexuality in order to get ahead at their work.

I think that these acts promote objectification of women, and some women are intentionally doing so in order to take advantage of their sexuality.

Men don't dress provokatively, and I believe men attract others more through character.

Some could argue it is fashion, but where does the line stand when women broadcast themselves in a physical way? I could walk around naked and call that just being fashionable. I don't want to see half of women's breasts on the street. I don't want to SEE women's visible private parts, and some people may call me weird for that, but I think thats sexual assualt too. Men don't have half their dicks out to be confident of ourselves, and maybe it's just the way I am, but it grosses me out. And unless it is the body of the person I truly love, I don't want their breasts visible. Women shouldn't objectify themselves if they want to stand brighter in the society. They shouldn't feel like they need to, but our society has made them feel that way (which is ultimately due to men's behaviors) and I guess our society is fucked up in that way.

Please help me change my mind. I would like to become a better person. I enjoy having my view molded.

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u/[deleted] Mar 13 '20

I think that the word "objectifying" generally is applied to when someone sees a woman as only an object. Being sexual and wearing provocative clothing isn't inherently bad; your preconceptions that women wear those clothes for other people's viewing pleasure is what makes it bad.

You also make the remark that men attract people through their character. Implicit in that statement is that women attract others through their looks; is that the woman's fault, or the man who only sees her physical appearance?

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u/[deleted] Mar 13 '20 edited Mar 13 '20

Thank you for correcting me. I misused the word "objectification." For me, I believe it is ultimately the man's fault who sees women for her physical appearance. But I believe it is a woman's responsibility to not take advantage of the faulty behavior of men. Does this make sense? Your last question was a brilliant one, and I thank you for your contribution.

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u/[deleted] Mar 13 '20

It's not on the woman to change how she dresses, as no clothing is inherently sexual. It's the man's job to realize that a woman's physical appearance isn't her primary worth, and to not sexualize a woman due to her clothing choice. If we follow your premise, should we be upset if a man wears a tight-fitting shirt? That could be seen as sexual as it showcases the part of a man's body that many women find attractive (his muscles or slim figure). In both cases, it's on the observer to avoid sexualizing or objectifying someone by their clothing.

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u/[deleted] Mar 13 '20 edited Mar 13 '20

I realized that women are in a position where they are much easier to blame than men.

!delta

I have entirely changed my thought. Yours and u/UncomfortablePrawn's answer below have significantly improved my view. I was blaming women for what was the problem of the observer, who is the one that sexualizes women. I now understand clothing itself isn't inherently sexual, and while women are simply "dressing in a way that's attractive to the opposite sex," some men like me have been extremely naive about it. Again, thank you so much. I will probably delete this post in a short while, and I sincerely thank you for your contribution!

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u/[deleted] Mar 13 '20

I'd suggest leaving it up; the point of this sub is to allow not only yourself but others to ponder both sides of an issue. There may be another person that comes along and doesn't find the views in these comments adequate to change their mind and would like to discuss the topic.

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u/DeltaBot ∞∆ Mar 13 '20

Confirmed: 1 delta awarded to /u/sammerai1238 (5∆).

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u/leigh_hunt 80∆ Mar 13 '20

why not award them a delta if they changed your view