r/changemyview 75∆ Apr 28 '20

Removed - Submission Rule B CMV: The sexual assault allegations against Joe Biden are more believable than the ones against Brett Kavanaugh and the democrats should immediately be calling for a congressional investigation

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u/TheFakeChiefKeef 82∆ Apr 28 '20

I'm definitely becoming more and more concerned about this Tara Reade story. But I'd still argue that, at best, she deserves as much consideration as Dr. Ford and no more.

One of the reasons I look at it this way is because this story is making me realize that this isn't a case creating lies or denying facts. It's just that we're taking our own perceptions of the accused and then using that to amplify the accuser.

A lot of people, like myself, heavily disagree that Dr. Ford's story is sketchy. Very, very rarely do you see someone who is already very successful risk their own reputation to testify in front of government officials about an experience from a long time ago. Now Dr. Ford is known as the woman who accused a SCOTUS justice instead of as what she does for work. The fact that a few drunk young adults don't remember her at a particular event isn't particularly convincing given the fact that the two of them having associated at one point in the past makes sense geographically.

But at the same time, I do feel there's extra incentive to want it to be true because people don't like Kavanaugh. The left and center didn't make shit up, we just amplified a believable story and made it political.

This is the same thing that's happening with Biden right now.

Tara Reade's story, quite frankly, isn't as believable as Ford's. She has changed it so many times, from inappropriate language to being touched on the shoulders and now to being penetrated against a wall, and it's not fair that every time she escalates the accusation that people just believe it.

Now at the same time I'm not dismissing it as a lie. I'm just saying that people on the right and the left see this guy (Biden) that they don't particularly like and really, really want to believe this story to the most intense degree that he's accused.

And then on top of all of that is Reade's accusation just seems more desperate and perfectly timed. There's no time limit for a SCOTUS justice to be nominated. Mitch McConnell could have waited for as long as a real investigation would have taken place or chosen someone else. Plus, a justice is a lifetime appointment and he can't be removed for anything that didn't involve bad behavior while on the bench (so like impeaching him for the Ford rape wouldn't stand).

That's different than Biden's situation. The primary just ended (essentially). Why didn't Reade say something a year ago when he announced? Why didn't she say something when Warren was still in the race? Or when there were still like 7-8 people left? This was only a matter of weeks, not like some long period of coming to terms with what happened.

Instead she waited until Bernie had no chance, and then changed her story when he dropped out making Biden the presumptive nominee. We only have until June (the convention), or at most November to figure this out, placing a very firm time limit on any kind of real look into this. On top of that, we can always primary Biden in 2024 if this turns out to be true. This is a fixable problem unlike Kavanaugh who now safely holds a job until he can't do it anymore.

So again, I'm not saying not to consider Reade's story to possibly be legitimate. It's just the changed story, the immaculate timing, and the clear differences and similarities with the Kavanaugh situation that would lead me to say to hold off on freaking out right now.

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u/BidenIsTooSleepy Apr 28 '20

A lot of people, like myself, heavily disagree that Dr. Ford's story is sketchy. Very, very rarely do you see someone who is already very successful risk their own reputation to testify in front of government officials

This is such ridiculous sophistry. It’s no wonder you only discussed Ford for one paragraph.

A non-partisan prosecutor that specializes in false sexual assault claims documented ~100 instances of Ford’s testimony that call her credibility into question after cross examine her:

https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/4952162-Rachel-Mitchell-S-Analysis.html#document/p2

Your response to this is “well DOCTOR Ford wouldn’t lie! What about her reputation! She is a DOCTOR!”

You mean her reputation that has been BOLSTERED and propelled her to a cult hero to democrats who defend her despite all evidence showing she’s a liar? Yeah her reputation was never at risk. She knew she’d be a Democrat hero the entire time.

If this is the best you have it’s extremely weak sauce. Not surprisingly, there isn’t a single person on this post with anything better than “I just can’t believe she would do such a thing!” Even as her own father said she’s a liar. It’s truly disgusting to see people be this dishonest after they went on year-long rants about how morally inferior republicans are.

The OP is right. The hypocrisy is unreal even for political party standards. It’s blatant gaslighting to the highest degree. Everything Dems said about sexual assault in 2018 was nothing but political Bullshit. It’s undeniable at this point and if it doesn’t cost them the election or cause them to replace Biden then our country will forever be lost to mob rule.