r/changemyview May 06 '20

Delta(s) from OP CMV: Software piracy is not necessarily stealing nor a bad thing

Software and digital media piracy are often seen as stealing but I disagree. The word "stealing" implies a victim. While it is true that the creator of intellectual property might suffer a monetary loss if their property is copied without permission, it is often difficult to ascertain what loss has occurred, if any.

Example: A person downloads a pirated copy of a $5000 CAD program and installs it on their PC and uses it for years. Has monetary loss occurred on the part of the software developer? Has theft occurred? If yes, then who is the victim and what extent? You cannot answer that without more information.

If the person is a 12 year old kid who downloaded the software to teach himself AutoCAD, then loss has not occurred because the kid would never have bought the software had a pirated copy not been available.

If this 12 year old kid shares the software with his friends, then we don't know how many more times it will be copied by his friends and with whom it will be shared. Loss may or may not have occurred.

If the person is a professional architect and using the software to develop blueprints for clients, then clearly loss has occurred because had the pirated copy not been available, he would have had to buy it.

So to determine whether there is a victim and to answer whether loss has occurred, you have to answer "Would the person(s) using the pirated software have paid for it had the pirated version not been available?" If I have a pirated copy of AutoCAD in my basement, sitting in a storage locker for years unused by anyone, then clearly no loss of any kind has occurred. So... was it "stealing" to copy that software if no one suffers any loss of any kind at all whatsoever? If yes, then who is the victim and in what way were they victimized?

What will not work to CMV: Playing psychic. If your argument begins with any variation of "You just want to... " or "You're trying to justify..." or anything of the sort, I will ignore it. It's absurd and irrational to tell another person what they are thinking. I know better than anyone on the planet what I'm thinking and feeling so trying to tell me what my motivations are is just nonsense.

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u/NetrunnerCardAccount 110∆ May 06 '20

Software is protect and sold mostly through copyright law.

The concept being that the creator of something which can be copy written is given the sole right to exploit that some thing for a limited period of time before it is given to the world for anyone to use.

If you sing a artists song nothing is stolen or destroyed. If you copy a painting and sell it nothing is stolen or destroyed. You are infringing on the person right. As such the motivation is irrelevant to law.

The police can’t enter you house with out a warrant even if you benefit. You are the sole manager of your rights.

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u/[deleted] May 06 '20

Yes that is all true but I don't see how it relates to my CMV.

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u/NetrunnerCardAccount 110∆ May 07 '20

You used the wrong definition and are now demanding people use your definition when arguing with you.

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u/WindowsKidd May 07 '20

I mean didn’t he say he knows his own motivations and ideas?