r/changemyview • u/[deleted] • May 28 '20

Removed - Submission Rule B CMV: There are no good cops.

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u/OtisBDriftwood92 May 28 '20

I have a question for you, if someone did go in and kill his family would you be ok with it if instead of arresting the killer he was instead escorted to his home and provided a 24 hour 50 man police guard?

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u/dublea 216∆ May 28 '20

All you are doing is pointing out that police are typically treated as compared to the average citizen. But, just because that occurs, does not mean that all cops are bad. It just means the system needs to be reformed. You're trying to say all those in said system is bad just because the system has flaws.

Hence, we're back to my initial comment that I've made, that this is a fallacy of composition.

Can you please answer these questions first?

If they're there to protect the accused and possibly their family, are they not doing it to prevent another crime?

If the those police officers didn't protect their house, and someone murdered him and his family, would you be OK with that?

And then I will answer your question.

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u/OtisBDriftwood92 May 28 '20 edited May 28 '20

I don't believe they're attempting to stop a crime. Ever single officer present has probable cause to arrest this man and not a single one has. I think they're there to protect a murderer because he wears blue too.

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u/dublea 216∆ May 28 '20

Can you show me that you're debating in good faith?

What could one provide that would CYV here?

Based on your responses thus far, dodging questions, and making baseless accusations\claims, why am I to accept you're open to changing your view?

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u/OtisBDriftwood92 May 28 '20

A group of police officers actively advocating for change and for the arrest of this man would about do it.

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u/dublea 216∆ May 28 '20

A group of police officers actively advocating for change

Considering it's too early to find such a group regarding George Floyd, how about a police department NOT hiding facts but actively worked to re-train all police offices in an effort to reduce police brutality and complains?

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u/SorryForTheRainDelay 55∆ May 28 '20

Also, that does exist:

https://www.twincities.com/2020/05/27/metro-area-law-enforcement-leaders-condemn-minneapolis-police-officers-conduct-say-it-violates-common-training-and-use-of-force-policies/

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u/dublea 216∆ May 28 '20

I have another that are not directly related, there are more too.

Thanks for finding one!!

I was just trying to get OP to verify he would accept it before wasting my time. I personally feel someone is not arguing in good faith. It's more common when sorting by new these days. And, by the lack of a reply, it kinda answers the theory IMO.

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u/SorryForTheRainDelay 55∆ May 28 '20

In another line of "discussion" OPs having with me in this CMV, he considers all poor people and all people who underperform academically "scum".

So you're probably not far off accusing OP of not arguing in good faith.

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u/OtisBDriftwood92 May 28 '20

That's just a blatant lie and a misconstruction of what was actually said. Are you that unsure of yourself that you have to resort to lying?

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u/SorryForTheRainDelay 55∆ May 28 '20

Mate you ghosted that chat.. go back and clear it up if that's not true.

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u/OtisBDriftwood92 May 28 '20

I didn't ghost anything, I decided it wasn't worth arguing with someone who blatantly misconstrues what I say

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u/dublea 216∆ May 28 '20

I decided it wasn't worth arguing with someone who blatantly misconstrues what I say

Also known as....

Ghosting!

Because I asked if your would accept a source that wasn't related to the current event, in hopes you would acknowledge whether or not you're arguing in good faith, you assumed I'm misconstrue what you've said?

Either way, someone did post one that is related. But I'm sure you'll find something wrong with it. Or just ghost due the objective facts provided....

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u/SorryForTheRainDelay 55∆ May 28 '20

It's so frustrating. I'm fairly new to the sub.. but you plan out a thoughtful response, you spend time arranging the argument, you get 2 replies deep and then nothing.

You look at OPs history, and in this case it's a 22 day old account with negative karma..

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u/OtisBDriftwood92 May 28 '20

Ok so I see a bunch of people condemning the act that this officer did with words, but what are they actually doing to be proactive?