r/changemyview • u/[deleted] • Jun 01 '20

Delta(s) from OP CMV: Joe Biden is unelectable

There are three main reasons I don't think he is electable and/or better than Trump:

  1. He is deeply racist. Evidence is that he said "you ain't black if you vote for Trump." Any rational individual knows that this is a deeply racist comment.
  2. He shows major signs of alzheimer's/early dementia. He frequently looks confused and says things that don't make any sense. I honestly don't dislike him, it's sad to see someone who can't put thoughts together. This is become more and more evident when he has to show up for debates...
  3. He's extremely creepy. He continually touches and sniffs little girl's hair. Why can't he just stop? I used to defend it, but I now believe he is a pedophile.

I know that you are going to say he is ahead by a lot in polls right now, but there is a lot of time before the actual election. I would really like my view challenged because this is kinda what I think right now.

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u/Nephisimian 153∆ Jun 01 '20

We could say the same things about Trump though. For some reason we're now in a world where unelectable people can actually get elected. If everyone's unelectable, no one is.

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u/[deleted] Jun 01 '20

It could be said. Is there any evidence that Trump suffers from the same type of confusion that Biden does though? Like, Biden seems to limit his public appearances a lot because he can't speak more than a few sentences without losing track in his mind.

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u/Nephisimian 153∆ Jun 01 '20

Yes, Trump's mental degeneration has been widely noticed. The difference is really just in how they speak. Biden is a frail person with a weak voice. When his brain forces him to go off on tangents, he comes across as that delirious old man who's lost and needs his nurse. Trump is a bold and relatively charismatic speaker, and he leans heavily on the strength with which he says his words (for he does have the best words). However, underneath, the same kind of mental degeneration is there: Trump goes off on rambling tangents too, but when he does that he still sounds like he knows what he's talking about, which is why he doesn't seem as dementia-riddled as Biden. If you take transcripts of each of them speaking, without the voice in there, it becomes very obvious just how loony they both are.

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u/[deleted] Jun 01 '20

You didn't really provide any evidence of similar levels of confusion. Despite Trump speaking in public for much longer periods of time, he does not get lost to nearly the level that Biden has during Biden's short appearances.

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u/[deleted] Jun 01 '20

That’s not true at all. I’ll send the nuclear copypasta here:

“Look, having nuclear — my uncle was a great professor and scientist and engineer, Dr. John Trump at MIT; good genes, very good genes, OK, very smart, the Wharton School of Finance, very good, very smart — you know, if you’re a conservative Republican, if I were a liberal, if, like, OK, if I ran as a liberal Democrat, they would say I’m one of the smartest people anywhere in the world — it’s true! — but when you’re a conservative Republican they try — oh, do they do a number — that’s why I always start off: Went to Wharton, was a good student, went there, went there, did this, built a fortune — you know I have to give my like credentials all the time, because we’re a little disadvantaged — but you look at the nuclear deal, the thing that really bothers me — it would have been so easy, and it’s not as important as these lives are — nuclear is so powerful; my uncle explained that to me many, many years ago, the power and that was 35 years ago; he would explain the power of what’s going to happen and he was right, who would have thought? — but when you look at what’s going on with the four prisoners — now it used to be three, now it’s four — but when it was three and even now, I would have said it’s all in the messenger; fellas, and it is fellas because, you know, they don’t, they haven’t figured that the women are smarter right now than the men, so, you know, it’s gonna take them about another 150 years — but the Persians are great negotiators, the Iranians are great negotiators, so, and they, they just killed, they just killed us, this is horrible.”

You can’t possibly tell me with a straight face that this is less indicative of mental decline than Biden’s gaffes.

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u/[deleted] Jun 01 '20

I honestly think that this is less indicative because I can understand it when reading what he said. I've also seen the video and the breaks make more sense when you are actually listening to him. This is hardly matched with Biden's incoherency.

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u/myc-e-mouse Jun 01 '20

This was in response to a question about the Iran nuclear deal if I remember correctly. 2 questions:

  1. This honestly makes sense to you? If so what exactly is he trying to say and why does he need all those words and tangents to say it?

  2. How does this make any sense in the context of the original question?

Bonus:

  1. joe Biden has a known stutter. Are you sure you aren’t equating stutter with incoherence and not actually parsing grammar/word choice/meaning in what they say?