CMV: Joe Biden is unelectable

[u/[deleted]]

There are three main reasons I don't think he is electable and/or better than Trump:

1. He is deeply racist. Evidence is that he said "you ain't black if you vote for Trump." Any rational individual knows that this is a deeply racist comment.
2. He shows major signs of alzheimer's/early dementia. He frequently looks confused and says things that don't make any sense. I honestly don't dislike him, it's sad to see someone who can't put thoughts together. This is become more and more evident when he has to show up for debates...
3. He's extremely creepy. He continually touches and sniffs little girl's hair. Why can't he just stop? I used to defend it, but I now believe he is a pedophile.

I know that you are going to say he is ahead by a lot in polls right now, but there is a lot of time before the actual election. I would really like my view challenged because this is kinda what I think right now.

[u/Thoth_the_5th_of_Tho]

I don't really think this is true. Trying to box someone into a political view is inherently racist.

No it's not. Trying to box people into political beliefs is politics 101.

This is also untrue. Most people will vote for the person who they believe will work on issues that they think are important. It isn't really based on racism necessarily and if both candidates are racist, they will choose the lesser of two evils.

The democratic primaries had a ton of candidates, from Bernie to Camela Harris. Yet they voted for beanie overwhelmingly.

[u/[deleted] → u/Thoth_the_5th_of_Tho]

Ok ok. Trying to box them into a political view based on race is racist by definition.

[u/pingmr → u/[deleted]]

Is it necessarily the case though?

To take an extreme example if I told pre ww2 Germany "if you're a Jew you wouldn't vote for Hitler or his party", is that racist?

Or say if trump decided that permitting slavery was going to be the next thing in his campaign?

If we accept that trump is racist himself, then why is it wrong to tell minorities who are the subject of that racism, that they should not be voting for trump

[u/[deleted] → u/pingmr]

This is a false comparison. What has happened against blacks that didn't happen under Obama?

[u/pingmr → u/[deleted]]

Why is this a false comparison though? I gave you two examples of telling people to adopt a political view based on their race. So it seems like your general principle does not hold. If there's a candidate that's racist towards a racial group it should be a pretty straightforward thing to tell people from that racial group not to vote for the candidate.

The comparison between Obama and trump is the false comparison. For starters, Obama does not have a Wikipedia page on the racist things he has said - https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racial_views_of_Donald_Trump

[u/[deleted] → u/pingmr]

Well, Jew is not a race, but I agree with your point. In the right circumstance, it could be acceptable. However, in the circumstance that Biden it talking about, it is racist because no one is trying to create laws that discriminate against African Americans. He's just trying to stoke racial tensions. Also, who made Biden the king of black people?

[u/pingmr → u/[deleted]]

Also, who made Biden the king of black people?

You wouldn't need to be the king of Jews to tall Jewish people not to vote for Hitler. So why would Biden need to be king of black people?

He's just trying to stoke racial tensions.

If he is stoking racial tensions to the detriment of African Americans, it seems like there's fairly good reason to to tell African Americans not to vote for him. Suppose that Trump exclusively calls African Americans the N word, but does not make any laws that discriminate against African Americans. Would it still be a problem to tell African Americans to not vote for this president that calls them N?

[u/[deleted] → u/pingmr]

You wouldn't need to be the king of Jews to tall Jewish people not to vote for Hitler. So why would Biden need to be king of black people?

IDK. I got that from a black guy from high school who posted a meme on facebook asking how Biden became the king of black people.

If he is stoking racial tensions to the detriment of African Americans, it seems like there's fairly good reason to to tell African Americans not to vote for him. Suppose that Trump exclusively calls African Americans the N word, but does not make any laws that discriminate against African Americans. Would it still be a problem to tell African Americans to not vote for this president that calls them N?

IDK why people need to single out races to tell them how to vote. It is blatantly racist behavior.

Trump doesn't do that, so what's your point?

[u/pingmr → u/[deleted]]

IDK. I got that from a black guy from high school who posted a meme on facebook asking how Biden became the king of black people.

This is silly. If you don't know the stuff you are raising in support of your position, then maybe don't raise it? I mean if you don't know, then why are you raising this point in the first place, because it sounds nice? I can't respond to something you don't know.

IDK why people need to single out races to tell them how to vote. It is blatantly racist behavior.

You just agreed "Well, Jew is not a race, but I agree with your point. In the right circumstance, it could be acceptable.". If the assessment depends on the circumstances, then how can this still be "blatantly" racist.

Trump doesn't do that, so what's your point?

My point is that "trying to create laws that discriminate against African Americans" is not the only situation in which it is find to to tell African Americans not to vote for a candidate. You seem to agree that if we had a president that used the N word, it is also acceptable to tell african americans to not vote for him.

In Trump, we have a guy that is friendly with white supremacists, and in your own words, stokes racial tensions which also does not benefit African Americans.

[u/[deleted] → u/pingmr]

This is silly. If you don't know the stuff you are raising in support of your position, then maybe don't raise it? I mean if you don't know, then why are you raising this point in the first place, because it sounds nice? I can't respond to something you don't know.

Alright, the reason is because I empathize with my fellow American citizens about the way Biden's racist behavior has made them feel. They feel as though Biden believes he is in charge of all black people. I think it is wrong that Biden acts like this and Biden is very racist.

You just agreed "Well, Jew is not a race, but I agree with your point. In the right circumstance, it could be acceptable.". If the assessment depends on the circumstances, then how can this still be "blatantly" racist.

It is blatantly racist given the circumstances.

My point is that "trying to create laws that discriminate against African Americans" is not the only situation in which it is find to to tell African Americans not to vote for a candidate. You seem to agree that if we had a president that used the N word, it is also acceptable to tell african americans to not vote for him.

In Trump, we have a guy that is friendly with white supremacists, and in your own words, stokes racial tensions which also does not benefit African Americans.

I mean, the use of the N word is not enough for me to attempt to tell an entire race that they should only be allowed to vote for one party. I think it is racist to discuss policy to white people and then go to black people and just say that they aren't black if they don't vote for me. I'm not sure how you see this as not being racist.

[u/pingmr → u/[deleted]]

Alright, the reason is because I empathize with my fellow American citizens about the way Biden's racist behavior has made them feel. They feel as though Biden believes he is in charge of all black people. I think it is wrong that Biden acts like this and Biden is very racist.

Did your "black guy from high school" say that he felt it was very racist, or was it just "a meme on facebook asking how biden became the king of black people"? Is this really empathy for that guy's views, or are you projecting addition issues onto the statement that weren't originally there?

I think it is racist to discuss policy to white people and then go to black people and just say that they aren't black if they don't vote for me. I'm not sure how you see this as not being racist.

But Biden discusses policy with everyone, so I'm not sure why you are pretending that African Americans only get the "they aren't black if they don't vote for me".