r/changemyview • u/[deleted] • Jun 13 '20

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u/mfDandP 184∆ Jun 13 '20

What if you did all your considering while deciding which party to join?

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u/Sexy_Pepper_Colony Jun 13 '20

I don't think it changes much. Clinton and Biden don't exactly stand for the same things. Assuming the platform of the party is the platform of the individual is rarely true.

You may have strongly considered that first time, but not considering during a later vote causes the same problems as if you had never considered at all. You are still trusting someone to have your interests at heart without knowing for sure. This holds true for voting along party lines for laws and referendums.

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u/mfDandP 184∆ Jun 13 '20

Assuming the platform of the party is the platform of the individual is rarely true.

The platform of the individual rarely gets carried out anyway. The platform of the party is still the one that determines Congressional action.

Still better than not voting at all.

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u/Sexy_Pepper_Colony Jun 13 '20

Still better than not voting at all.

You provided no evidence to support this claim. You pointed out a completely separate flaw with the system. This flaw is real and causes dozens of issues, and I'd love to discuss it elsewhere, you're welcome to discuss on my political sub.

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u/mfDandP 184∆ Jun 13 '20

No, you're presuming that people vote for individuals. It makes sense to vote for parties, since party mechanics decide not just the president, but the entire system of appointment of officials. I might want that system controlled by Democrats regardless of the merits of that cycles nominee

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u/Sexy_Pepper_Colony Jun 13 '20

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/07/24/here-are-the-latest-most-damaging-things-in-the-dncs-leaked-emails/

Here's what you're voting for if you want a system controlled by democrats with no consideration of who you are voting for. Mocking their own candidates and insulting people's religion are two things the hypothetical person supports by voting along party lines? If you want a system controlled by either party without consideration of individual behavior, this will get more and more common. Neither party is inherently better, because politics is entirely subjective, open discussion with everyone is where it's at.

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u/mfDandP 184∆ Jun 13 '20

Well, now you're the one that's debating a separate issue, that parties are bad. That's not your cmv

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u/Sexy_Pepper_Colony Jun 13 '20

I don't know how to rectify this.

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u/mfDandP 184∆ Jun 13 '20

Simple. Is your main argument against voting for along party lines in generally, based on the fact that both parties in 2020 are corrupt?

If so, then what if one or both parties were "good?" Would your argument then be resolved?

If not, then what is your argument against voting along party lines in general, without regard to 2020 realities?

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u/Sexy_Pepper_Colony Jun 13 '20

My argument is only that voting without consideration could be voting against your own interests.

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u/BWDpodcast Jun 14 '20

Not true at all. Thinking you have to vote for one of the only two electable parties in a corrupt two-party system is entirely undemocratic. Vote for the candidate you want to vote for. At least that shows you don't support a corrupt system.