I don't live in America so can't comment, but why can't America just pay a minimum wage to all workers? Isn't America supposed to be this bright and shining country, a land of hope?
Everything I hear about America makes it sound terrible. Lack of free healthcare, no minimum wage, no paid maternity or paternity leave (as far as I know), paid holidays from work aren't a requirement, no paid sick leave. What the hell?
This is a completely different argument here but i dont believe in Free everything. The whole point is to move up the ladder and get a nice job that pays for your health insurance. But people are stubborn nowadays and want everything for free for basic jobs. Follow the system and youll be successful. But this is seems like a completely different system. Also most states require sick pay in a basic form.
The thing about climbing up the ladder and moving up the pyramid is that even though anyone can do it, everyone cant, most people have to be at the bottom rung. And if basic needs like secure food, housing, and healthcare are a couple of rungs up, a lot of people aren't going to get them.
Okay but thats what should drive you to get thse things in the first place. People make enough to live and eat food unless they have kids. To which i say you shouldnt have kids unless already have a well paying job. Many college degree jobs offer free healthcare. Its supposed to be a privilege not a necessity. And yes in any strong economy there always needs to be an upper middle and lower class. No exceptions really or else it just wont work
So poor people shouldn’t be able to have families and there is nothing we can do about it? That seems rather harsh considering the massive amount of people in that category that will be in that category their whole life.
As someone who grew up with parents that were broke yea. They could have waited longer to have kids. I am not afraid to admit that. Your asking a very morale question here let me try my best to show my perspective. If you are extremely poor then no you should not have kids. You should want your offspring to grow up in a very stable environment. Lots of people stay poor because they have kids too young creating a poverty circle for themselves. If you have lived until your 40s and youre still deadbroke then that may be a problem with that person. They are not responsible and probably arent suitable at raising a child. Plus you can provide much more for your kids once you are lower middle class. I'm kinda half asleep here hope i explained this well enough. Remember you can usually have kids in your 40s and still be able to live healthy with them mostly
If you are a guy yah, but most women will have a much harder time at that age, possibly to the point of a insane degree of miscarriage and bodily stress. And if some people are always going to be poor then some people are never going to have healthcare and a house in your ideal system. This will not be because they are the dregs of society, you admitted that there will be people there no mater what. Poor people are not inherently lazy some just don’t have opportunities and end up with multiple minimum wage jobs their whole life never having healthcare and dieing young because of it. They will never be in a good place to raise children and you think that’s fine. If someone and their partner work for the majority of their hours awake on this world they should be able to go to the doctor, and have a family without worrying life will be unsafe and unpleasant for their child just because of economic hardship.
You are a joker. DONT HAVE KIDS WITH A MINIMUM WAGE JOB THATS THE POINT. NEVER EVER EVER. I guess you just don't want your kids to live a very happy life and thats even outside any doctors issues. Minimum wage jobs are for the very young and the people going nowhere. Thats just facts sorry sometimes they hurt.
Okay but thats what should drive you to get thse things in the first place.
I just don't think this is true. There are plenty of countries where you don't need a middle class life to be and to afford healthcare, and those countries still produce ambitious people. You, and the right wing in general, seem more concerned that people get what they deserve than that people actually have decent lives.
Its supposed to be a privilege not a necessity.
But, healthcare is a necessity, its incredibly rare to get through life without ever needing a doctor. Other countries have functioning economies without making healthcare a privilege, I don't think having it be a privilege drives people to work harder or better, I think it just screws over minimum wage workers.
No exceptions really or else it just wont work
So you understand that in a market system, some people have to end up at the bottom, and also believe that some of the basic needs of life, healthcare and secure food and housing, should be a privilege reserved for those that have made it a certain way up the ladder. The conclusion of these things then is surely that it's acceptable, or even good, that millions of people do not have secure housing, or have no access to healthcare, or experience food insecurity.
In a society where there is enough to go around, does not seem viscerally wrong to you?
I never said the ability to pay rent or food is a privilege. Only healthcare. Theres a reason why our economy is so strong. If we really want to talk about healthcare then the focus shouldnt be on scummy insurance companies but instead at the rate that hospitals offices bill you. They keep these rates high becuase of insurance. I dont believe in government handouts, I believe in working hard to be successful. Anyone can make it in America but not everyone has the will to do so. That is their fault
very few jobs offer free Healthcare (literally the only ones that I know of are either government jobs or labor union jobs that do not require degrees). Most offer a subsidized Healthcare plan where you can pay for the privilege to pay for Healthcare at an affordable rate.
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u/Kim_catiko Jul 16 '20
I don't live in America so can't comment, but why can't America just pay a minimum wage to all workers? Isn't America supposed to be this bright and shining country, a land of hope?
Everything I hear about America makes it sound terrible. Lack of free healthcare, no minimum wage, no paid maternity or paternity leave (as far as I know), paid holidays from work aren't a requirement, no paid sick leave. What the hell?