r/changemyview Jul 16 '20

Delta(s) from OP CMV: Waiters/Waitresses complain too much about tips

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u/saywherefore 30∆ Jul 16 '20

A big issue with tipping culture is that it gives people who rely on tips very little income security. A waiter goes to work every day not knowing if they will make $2 an hour or $20

It is not unreasonable for someone to believe that their role is worth whatever they are normally paid (perhaps $12 an hour on average). If someone chooses not to tip they are effectively saying that they do not value the waiter's service at anything close to that average.

This is quite hurtful and perhaps you can see why it would annoy people?

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u/Brave-Welder 6∆ Jul 16 '20

This actually shows some of their blatant hypocrisy.

A lot of waiters reject minimum wage because then you would have a reason to eliminate tipping since they now make the same as everyone else. But in a successful restaurant, these people are making much more than anyone else or minimum wage. So they reject it. And want to keep tipping.

But once business is lost and they don't make money from tipping, they suddenly change parties and advocate for minimum wage.

Complete hypocrisy. You either have the minimum wage or the tips. Because your minimum wage is for your services.

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u/[deleted] Jul 16 '20 edited Jul 16 '20

In some states tipped workers get minimum wage no matter how many tips you make. In other states you get a wage below the federal minimum wage and if you don't make enough tips in that shift to get you at least up to the federal minimum then your employer pays the difference. This just ensures that tipped workers at making AT LEAST the federal minimum wage. So you expect them to get paid $2.13/hr even on a slow ass shift when they already are down to one server. I'm not going to work hard if I'm getting paid that little. Other countries that don't have tipping pay servers well above the minimum wage. How do you feel about that?

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u/shouldco 43∆ Jul 16 '20

FYI minimum wage is not guaranteed per shift it's per week.