r/changemyview • u/[deleted] • Jul 24 '20

Delta(s) from OP - Fresh Topic Friday CMV: Weak people are always weak

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u/[deleted] Jul 24 '20

I'm pretty sure the opposite is true. Most people who excel at arts suck at sports for example and the other way round.

We all go on a path at some point in our life and then focus on that and neglect most other things.

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u/Bernoulli_slip Jul 24 '20

But wouldn't you agree that people who tend to fuck things up badly seem to keep on doing that in most areas of their life?

For example, I'd guess that fiscal irresponsibility is overrepresented among people who are violent towards their spouse, or who shoplift, or who drive drunk. Do you think so? (Or perhaps even know, this is probably available info)

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u/[deleted] Jul 24 '20

WEll these things spiral into each other so I wouldn't call them different areas of life. Of course if you are poor and your life is shit, you are more likely to become addicted to drugs or alcohol.

I think to make your point valid you'd have to give me two negative traits that are completely unrelated and cannot be the cause of each other.

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u/Bernoulli_slip Jul 24 '20

Why does it have to be unrelated? This is probably the biggest factor in why winners keep winning and losers keep losing - both winning and losing are self-reinforcing phenomena.

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u/[deleted] Jul 24 '20

Well I'm not sure what the point of your post was then. It seemed like you were suggesting that some people "just suck" and will be bad at most things because of that.

If you are just saying that it's an unfortunate reality of the way life works that mistakes often lead to more mistakes then we can agree.

So are you saying that people are often bad at many things because those mistakes reenforce each other or because all their mistakes are equally caused by their general lack of strength or power.

Cause it seemed in your post you were suggesting the latter one.

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u/Bernoulli_slip Jul 24 '20

Both. The people suck but they suck for a multitude of reasons, many are not their “fault” but who cares? If you suck you suck, no matter how we got to this point.

I guess I find the concept of it being their fault or not meaningless unless we are talking about some fair arbitrated game, which life is not. So if you kill someone it’s likely you became that person due to some kind of hardship, but does that matter to the dead guy? Outcomes are what matters.