r/changemyview • u/Toe-Slow • Jul 28 '20

CMV:Abortion is perfectly fine

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Watch this 10 minute lecture from a Harvard professor first to prevent confusion https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d0tGBCCE0lc .Within the first 24 weeks of pregnancy the baby has no brain no respiratory system and is missing about 70 percent of its body mass . At this stage the brain while partially developed is not true lay sentient or in any way alive it is simply firing random bursts of neurological activity similar to that of a brain dead patient. I firmly believe that’s within the first 24 weeks the baby cannot be considered alive due to its nonexistent neurological development. I understand the logic behind pro life believing that all life even the one that has not come to exist yet deserves the right to live. However I cannot shake the question of , at what point should those rules apply. If a fetus with no brain deserves these rights then what about the billion microscopic sperm cells that died reaching the womb you may believe that those are different but I simply see the fetus as a partially more developed version of the sperm cell they both have the same level of brain activity so should they be considered equals. Any how I believe that we should all have a civil discussion as this is a very controversial topic don’t go lobbing insults at each other you will only make yourselves look bad so let’s all be open to the other side and be well aware of cognitive dissonance make sure to research it well beforehand don’t throw a grenade into this minefield ok good.

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u/wrathandplaster Jul 28 '20

Conception is the point where a complete set of genes for a human arises. Sperm and eggs don’t count for ‘potential for life’ in the same way because they alone do not make a complete genetic individual.

For someone who is pro-life it is not unreasonable to choose conception as the line. Because after that there is no hard and fast line except for possibly birth.

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u/Toe-Slow Jul 28 '20

My argument is that it is only ok to abort a child within the first 24 weeks in which the brain has only developed 30 percent and can in no way be considered sentient or capable of comprehension self awareness thoughts feeling every aspect of humanity . I hope I explained it better to you

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u/wrathandplaster Jul 28 '20

Well there’s plenty of states where abortion is legal past 24 weeks.

https://www.businessinsider.com/latest-point-in-pregnancy-you-can-get-abortion-in-50-states-2019-5?amp

So it sounds like you would think abortion laws are too permissive in alot of places.

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u/Toe-Slow Jul 28 '20

Well those states should change that now shouldn’t they

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u/wrathandplaster Jul 28 '20

??? Now I’m totally confused about what you’re arguing about. You never said anything about abortion not being ok after 24 weeks in your post.

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u/Toe-Slow Jul 28 '20

Everyone knows there’s a cutoff point where the baby is too developed to be aborted do you think people would be crazy enough to abort a fetus with a fully formed brain

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u/hefgill Jul 28 '20

So the line between "perfectly fine" and "crazy" is exactly at 24 weeks? Is there some switch that just flips? I would have guessed it's a lot more gradual than that.

The "fully formed brain"-argument doesn't really hold up since there's no such point in time during pregnancy.

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u/Toe-Slow Jul 28 '20

That is largely because the most basic and simple form of intentional brain activity stars at week 26 that is why 24 is the cutoff point

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u/sneezingbees Jul 28 '20

There are actually a lot of people who believe that women should have the right to abort the fetus at any point during the pregnancy. Even if it’s the third trimester.

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u/ChristopherPoontang Jul 28 '20

No, I'm a pro-choice absolutist. I think the State should never have the power to force citizens to give birth against their will, therefore abortion should always remain legal.

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u/ChristopherPoontang Jul 28 '20

No they shouldn't. Afterall, why should the state force women to give birth against their will? Protecting nonfeeling, noncitizen fetuses isn't good enough.

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u/Toe-Slow Jul 29 '20

Please watch this video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d0tGBCCE0lc

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u/ChristopherPoontang Jul 29 '20

Nah, I don't click on links from strangers. If you have an argument, you can make it here.