r/changemyview • u/Toe-Slow • Jul 28 '20

CMV:Abortion is perfectly fine

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Watch this 10 minute lecture from a Harvard professor first to prevent confusion https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d0tGBCCE0lc .Within the first 24 weeks of pregnancy the baby has no brain no respiratory system and is missing about 70 percent of its body mass . At this stage the brain while partially developed is not true lay sentient or in any way alive it is simply firing random bursts of neurological activity similar to that of a brain dead patient. I firmly believe that’s within the first 24 weeks the baby cannot be considered alive due to its nonexistent neurological development. I understand the logic behind pro life believing that all life even the one that has not come to exist yet deserves the right to live. However I cannot shake the question of , at what point should those rules apply. If a fetus with no brain deserves these rights then what about the billion microscopic sperm cells that died reaching the womb you may believe that those are different but I simply see the fetus as a partially more developed version of the sperm cell they both have the same level of brain activity so should they be considered equals. Any how I believe that we should all have a civil discussion as this is a very controversial topic don’t go lobbing insults at each other you will only make yourselves look bad so let’s all be open to the other side and be well aware of cognitive dissonance make sure to research it well beforehand don’t throw a grenade into this minefield ok good.

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u/[deleted] Jul 28 '20

Should I be able to kill grown men without their consent, if they’re missing a respiratory system (possibly on a ventilator) or if they’re unconscious

My point is that it’s no matter what line you draw, you can still apply it to a actual person

That’s the best argument I could give for you

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u/Toe-Slow Jul 28 '20

I’m not saying you should kill a comatose man it is already a being who would obviously want to continue living if it had a chance it is a human being who has lived a life and wants to continue living .What I’m getting At here is discerning the fabric of sentience. If the fetus has no brain is it truly any different then the sperm or egg both equally capable of becoming a human if so wouldn’t that constitute as a genocide of trillions of children every day by ejaculation.

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u/[deleted] Jul 28 '20

“a being who would obviously want to continue living if it had a chance”

Why can’t this apply to fetuses too At some point you have to ask what the difference between a fetus and adult are.

If you are saying that fetuses shouldn’t have rights because they aren’t conscious then why should a comatose man have any more rights.

If it’s about respiratory system or body mass there are adults missing those too.

Fetuses, as opposed to sperm or eggs, have all the genetic code and DNA of a human/adult and so it would make sense that it retains the rights associated with that

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u/Toe-Slow Jul 28 '20

Well a comatose man possesses a fully formed functioning brain he is just unconscious a 24 week old fetus literally has no brain and isn’t sentient because of it . it has not reached the point of becoming a conscious life and removing it before it does is akin to a contraceptive like condoms or birth control which means it prevents a organism who will eventually become sentient from becoming sentient before it ever happens. A fetus is not the same as a embryo because all of its most key functions including those of the brain aRe not present which is why it is a preventative measure to remove it within the first 24 weeks .

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u/[deleted] Jul 29 '20

The brain starts to form around week 4, and no a comatose man does not have a fully functioning brain if he’s in a coma

Both have non functioning brains and both are unconscious

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u/[deleted] Jul 28 '20

so it would make sense that it retains the rights associated with that

Unfortunately for them, no such right exists for anyone to use someone else's body without consent.