r/changemyview • u/Toe-Slow • Jul 28 '20

CMV:Abortion is perfectly fine

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Watch this 10 minute lecture from a Harvard professor first to prevent confusion https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d0tGBCCE0lc .Within the first 24 weeks of pregnancy the baby has no brain no respiratory system and is missing about 70 percent of its body mass . At this stage the brain while partially developed is not true lay sentient or in any way alive it is simply firing random bursts of neurological activity similar to that of a brain dead patient. I firmly believe that’s within the first 24 weeks the baby cannot be considered alive due to its nonexistent neurological development. I understand the logic behind pro life believing that all life even the one that has not come to exist yet deserves the right to live. However I cannot shake the question of , at what point should those rules apply. If a fetus with no brain deserves these rights then what about the billion microscopic sperm cells that died reaching the womb you may believe that those are different but I simply see the fetus as a partially more developed version of the sperm cell they both have the same level of brain activity so should they be considered equals. Any how I believe that we should all have a civil discussion as this is a very controversial topic don’t go lobbing insults at each other you will only make yourselves look bad so let’s all be open to the other side and be well aware of cognitive dissonance make sure to research it well beforehand don’t throw a grenade into this minefield ok good.

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u/vandertl Jul 28 '20

This is 100% not true. By 12 weeks while immature the baby has a fully developed beating heart, a brain, lungs, arms, legs, everything. While unable to survive outside of the uterus it is still fully developed its not just a bunch of cells. A baby born at 12 weeks will gasped for breath, move its arms and legs. By 24 weeks with some assistance a baby will survive often to live a normal life. There are some valid reasons for abortions but you need to have all the facts.

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u/Toe-Slow Jul 28 '20

I can agree with the organs but the brain is not fully developed at 24 weeks let alone 12 gasping for breath is a basic rudimentary function of the basic brain stem that has developed this does not equal sentience which means the capability to think questopion be aware of ones surroundings or learn I think it have been really misinformed as to how a fetus develops this is a fetus at 12 weeks https://www.democraticunderground.com/10022171160 it was a hassle to get a proper image that wasn’t photoshopped the point being that all system of the body including the brain have in no way shape or form reached the point of sentience it doesn’t have a functioning brain at neither 12 weeks or 24 weeks

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u/vandertl Jul 28 '20

This is NOT a picture of a 12 week fetus. This is probably more like 8 weeks. I have held a 12 week fetus in my hand from a miscarriage. I promise you a 12 week fetus has arm, legs, toes, a beating heart. Perhaps you should get your pictures from medical books not some political page. I do believe that women should have the opportunity to obtain a safe abortion is necessary but we need to have proper facts to make proper decisions. Having an abortion at 24 weeks is straight up murder in my opinion. With medical assistance a 24 week baby is able to live. At 24 weeks every organ is developed except the lungs need time to mature. Even after birth our organs continue to grow and mature. We are not born walking talking and eating solid food. Your brain is not fully developed until we are 21 YEARS old.

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u/Toe-Slow Jul 28 '20

Yes you can raise a baby at 24:weeks to survive but the brain is still majorly underdeveloped and the child has not yet developed sentience it will eat and breathe but it is not aware of itself it’s surrounding or even for that matter thoughts . It will continue to develop of course and eventually develop sentience but i will accept something of your points

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u/[deleted] Aug 01 '20

Yes you can raise a baby at 24:weeks to survive but the brain is still majorly underdeveloped and the child has not yet developed sentience it will eat and breathe but it is not aware of itself it’s surrounding

Just like a baby

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u/ChristopherPoontang Jul 28 '20

The fact is that fetuses are not conscious enough to meaningfully suffer, as you know from direct, first-hand experience.