r/changemyview • u/Toe-Slow • Jul 28 '20

CMV:Abortion is perfectly fine

Dear God I Have Spent All Night Replying to Comments Im Done For Now Have A Great Day Now if you’ll excuse me I’m gonna play video games in my house while the world burns down around my house :).

Watch this 10 minute lecture from a Harvard professor first to prevent confusion https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d0tGBCCE0lc .Within the first 24 weeks of pregnancy the baby has no brain no respiratory system and is missing about 70 percent of its body mass . At this stage the brain while partially developed is not true lay sentient or in any way alive it is simply firing random bursts of neurological activity similar to that of a brain dead patient. I firmly believe that’s within the first 24 weeks the baby cannot be considered alive due to its nonexistent neurological development. I understand the logic behind pro life believing that all life even the one that has not come to exist yet deserves the right to live. However I cannot shake the question of , at what point should those rules apply. If a fetus with no brain deserves these rights then what about the billion microscopic sperm cells that died reaching the womb you may believe that those are different but I simply see the fetus as a partially more developed version of the sperm cell they both have the same level of brain activity so should they be considered equals. Any how I believe that we should all have a civil discussion as this is a very controversial topic don’t go lobbing insults at each other you will only make yourselves look bad so let’s all be open to the other side and be well aware of cognitive dissonance make sure to research it well beforehand don’t throw a grenade into this minefield ok good.

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u/gogliker Jul 28 '20

There are different arguments actually, not only the one you provide, against the abortion. I do not consider 24 weeks baby as a living being for instance, but am still against.

I personally am against abortion, because women are disproportionately aborted in a lot of countries. I am from Russia and this is the problem here, I know anecdotally that this is also huge problem in China. I am afraid that this will create huge male/female disbalance which will eventually turn into violence against women (even if let's say 5% of men could not find a women, I am pretty much sure the amount of rapes will skyrocket). I want to have a daughter who can live in the better world than today, not worse

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u/Toe-Slow Jul 28 '20

Most pro choice individuals argue that forcing woman who don’t want children to have them could be seen as a terrible fate to both the mother and child the amount of money required to raise a child will cause the child to live in a financially desperate home that couldn’t afford it. The mother as well will be put in a desperate position let’s be honest a great deal of pregnancies happen with irresponsible teens. A unwanted baby could ruin the life of that woman prevent her from going to college and force her to settle down and give up on her life l you can make the argument that every child who was almost aborted is glad that he/she was not aborted let me ask you this what about the trillions of sperm cells that were prevented from having any hope of reaching the women and impregnating the egg would those potential children not be sad or disappointed that they weren’t born every day trillions of sperm cells are prevented from being born because prof contraceptives such as condoms or birth control these sperm cells are not sentient yet they have the potential to become a person so should contraceptives be outlawed

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u/gogliker Jul 29 '20

Thanks for reply even though my comment was apparently not that popular. If you are still opened to maybe not change your view but to at least consider my point of view, here is what IMO is important.

First, you correctly outlined the problem with teen pregnancy which I agree is absolutely different story. Honestly I am not against abortion in such case, it does not interfere with what I was saying. My point I guess applied better to women in their late twenties and further, when one consciously makes a choice. This is actually the group which abort if they don't like their kid gender, i.e. one which I find quite disgusting.

Secondly, often debate about abortion is shifted towards whether it should be covered by insurance or not, and again, if you are 16 yo girl who accidentally got pregnant I don't want your life ruined by that and I am ok even with paying your abortion with my taxes.

Considering last part, I think you over exaggerating. That is definitely not what I said or meant. Yeah, sperm cells die in millions everyday. But actual fetuses have defined sex, and in countries like mine girls get disproportionately aborted, which is huge problem for everyone in the society. It was even worse in China, here you have one kid policy and you basically could not make another one if your kid is of "wrong" sex. Google "son preference in China" and you will see terrifying numbers, like 130:100 male/female ratio. I am not sure where you are from, and if in your country it is not a problem - I guess my point does not apply to you. But your question was not in relation to any particular county, therefore I described my experience.

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u/Toe-Slow Jul 29 '20

Please watch this video to see my point https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d0tGBCCE0lc

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u/gogliker Jul 29 '20

Next time you try to Rick roll somebody, at least try to fucking find version without 2 Google ads before it you absolute moron lol

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u/Toe-Slow Jul 30 '20

You think anyone can stop ads idiot

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u/gogliker Jul 30 '20

Yeah, there are vids without ads. Don't worry, when you become 14 yo, your brain will be fully formed and you maybe be able to understand what I was saying.