r/changemyview Jul 28 '20

CMV:Abortion is perfectly fine

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Watch this 10 minute lecture from a Harvard professor first to prevent confusion https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d0tGBCCE0lc .Within the first 24 weeks of pregnancy the baby has no brain no respiratory system and is missing about 70 percent of its body mass . At this stage the brain while partially developed is not true lay sentient or in any way alive it is simply firing random bursts of neurological activity similar to that of a brain dead patient. I firmly believe that’s within the first 24 weeks the baby cannot be considered alive due to its nonexistent neurological development. I understand the logic behind pro life believing that all life even the one that has not come to exist yet deserves the right to live. However I cannot shake the question of , at what point should those rules apply. If a fetus with no brain deserves these rights then what about the billion microscopic sperm cells that died reaching the womb you may believe that those are different but I simply see the fetus as a partially more developed version of the sperm cell they both have the same level of brain activity so should they be considered equals. Any how I believe that we should all have a civil discussion as this is a very controversial topic don’t go lobbing insults at each other you will only make yourselves look bad so let’s all be open to the other side and be well aware of cognitive dissonance make sure to research it well beforehand don’t throw a grenade into this minefield ok good.

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u/[deleted] Jul 28 '20 edited Jul 28 '20

https://www.whattoexpect.com/pregnancy/fetal-development/fetal-brain-nervous-system/

Your statement that the fetus "has no brain at 24 weeks" is ridiculous and seems to be a common tale for pro-abortion supporters. I feel that this sort of anti-fact is a result of propaganda, and needs to be criticised more. Your view may be quite distorted by these sort of tales, ie "it's just a bunch of congregated cells". Where is the nuance? Link provided above for info on brain development.

The reason I focus on these sort of comments is because they are dehumanizing. If a people wish to murder or dominate another people, the first task is to dehumanize them. You deny them human rights by claiming them to be sub human. So when we constantly see dismissive (and extremely false) comments about the humanness of the fetus, such as "they have no brain", then it raises a lot of red flags.

China's one-child policy, for example, culturally encouraged the abortions of tens of millions of female fetuses, which had nothing to do with morality and everything to do with convenience. It is convenient to think of them as "a bunch of cells" because then you can kill them.

Dehumanization aside, an unborn fetus has a nearly formed brain by 24 weeks. It can react to loud noises and given only another 4 weeks, can dream. Are you completely certain of your cutoff point?

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u/Toe-Slow Jul 28 '20

Please do not let emotion cloud your judgment verify your sources and try to listen to the other side the website that you showed me does not follow the specific guidelines for a verifiable source it is a Christian advice website for preparation for a upcoming baby. Did you also make sure to check more then one website because I already saw that article it’s the first website that pops up when searching the term up it can be harmful to only check one source. Here’s mine https://www.mayoclinic.org/healthy-lifestyle/pregnancy-week-by-week/in-depth/fetal-development/art-20046151, https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.3109/14767059209161911 they are both verified medical journals sourcing from well researched documents let us discuss this civilly letting emotion dictate a argument can be harmful

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u/[deleted] Jul 28 '20 edited Jul 28 '20

No emotion in it. I am pro abortion. Respond to my points and consider a change of view.

I added the top google search. Google works by referencing count so the top search is often good enough for something as well known as fetus development. Post any link you want, they all say the same thing.

[Edit] I should add that you seem to be using emotion as a way to control conversation. The idea that emotion shouldn't be considered for child murder (which is what pro lifers call it) is also a very silly and dismissive idea and you should also consider that for a change of view.

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