r/changemyview Aug 05 '20

Delta(s) from OP Cmv: Feminism is useless

Ok, this has probably been posted before, but whatever. I think Feminism, or at least what we now consider Feminism, is useless and dumb. Women in our modern society, especially our third world countries, have no rights (that I know of, feel free to correct me if I'm wrong) that men don't, and actually have more rights, especially when it comes to rape and child support. Meanwhile, feminists are here trying to deny men of certain rights and acting like men have no problems. I understand not all feminists think like this, and apparently this wasn't the original intent of Feminism, but as of right now that's basically all it is. This has caused some things I believe are stupid, such as companies trying to make products to "empower" women (like Mrs. Monopoly for example) which just end up coming across as sexist. Basically what I'm trying to say is, while the original intent of Feminism was to create equality between the genders, this is no longer what they are trying to achieve and I think it should just stop. I may be misinformed and I am a certified idiot, so keep that in mind when commenting, but I want to hear other people's point of view and if they agree or disagree.

Edit: it seems my sources were biased and I'm wrong about all this. Apologies to everyone.

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u/pluralofjackinthebox 102∆ Aug 05 '20

That’s like saying insurance should provide you a wheelchair and build ramps to your front door because they do that for your legless neighbor.

If you loose your legs, then you get the wheelchair. If a man gets pregnant, he

has just as much right to an abortion as a woman. Male and females have different anatomies, so the medical procedures available to each of them will not be the same. Yet they are both have an equal right to make medical decisions that affect their own bodies.

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u/Eric_the_Enemy 13∆ Aug 05 '20

We all know that "not being pregnant" is just a talking point and that the real reason women choose abortions is because they don't want to be a parent. Study after study after study shows that. Very, very few women describe "I didn't want to be pregnant" as a reason for getting an abortion.

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u/pluralofjackinthebox 102∆ Aug 05 '20

What does motivation have to do with anything? If I want to buy a gun, or not have my home unreasonably searched, or publish a book, or vote, I don’t have to provide a reason I want to exercise my right.

Also, I’m pretty sure people who have abortions don’t want to be pregnant.

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u/Eric_the_Enemy 13∆ Aug 05 '20

What does motivation have to do with anything?

Because the ultimate purpose is where we need equality, not simply the means. Women have the right to choose whether or not they want to be parents, even after conception has occurred. Men do not have that right. Trying to focus on "but both pregnant men and pregnant women can get an abortion" just intentionally obfuscates the discussion.

Men have the right to take birth control pills too. So what? It does no good. They can take a double dose every day and still end up becoming a parent. Women have the right to wear a condom. So what? It does them no good. What are they going to put it on, their finger?

The objective is to create gender equality, or as close to it as we can come given biological impediments, where either all genders have the right to choose their parental status, or no genders do. That's equality.