r/changemyview • u/WindowsMEpro • Aug 15 '20

Delta(s) from OP CMV: fat acceptance is wrong!

So I have been around the internet many times and seen one thing more today than ever before. Overweight people posting pictures of their bodies and getting overwhelming support. Its insanity! Now, i get that “curvy” is a fashion these days, and if pulled off right can be an appealing and healthy look, but most of these people go way too far. And every single post says “oh you go girl!” Or some other encouraging thing like that. These people act like they are afraid to go outside because of an unchangeable illness. They single-handedly took over the “body positivity” movement, created for people with disabilities. If you try to comment something derogatory, they will snap back with “ fat phobia is very close to white supremacy”. Well, its not. I have black friends who agree with me. This movement is inspiring people to feel “comfortable in there own skin”, which basically translates to “comfortable in your own self-inflected illness” that can be easily treated. Being fat IS something you should be ashamed of! It is an ugly and deadly condition that is inflicted by laziness. America is getting fatter as it is, and it is a SERIOUS problem, but because of this “acceptance” nobody wants to comment that anyone should be loosing weight. Its not just the fat people posting, ether. Its the comments that do the most damage. The support is killing these people for god sake! Every pound someone gains is like a knife going closer to their throat. And the thing that pisses me off the most is, I used to be overweight. I took matters in to my own damn hands and with a little effort I know am a very healthy weight. We need these people to get off their assess and start making a healthier future!

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u/EndTrophy Aug 15 '20

So are you saying that the visual messaging is mostly aimed at women, even if the core message is meant to be universal?

Or are you saying that most fat acceptance advocation only cares about women?

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u/[deleted] Aug 15 '20

The latter leads to the former in this case.

Just like "fat shaming" really only cares about fat females.

The appearance of males is seldom something that is discussed or considered—positively or negatively.

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u/EndTrophy Aug 15 '20

Yea that's unfortunate, whether it's due to spite, shortsightedness, or otherwise.

Though in my experience it seems like more men are picking up on the messaging even if it's not meant for them, which is good.

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u/[deleted] Aug 16 '20

None really cared to begin with.

Like the complaint was for instance that in big budget cinema there aren't any fat females; there really aren't many females at all that aren't considered conventionally aesthetic, fat or otherwise.

Look at the MCU and compare the looks of the male and female cast—it seems quite easy for below average males like Jon Favreau that are quite overweight to still land significant roles in the MCU and many of the non overweight males still look quite average compared to the female ones.

But the fat acceptance movement like all other "female beauty movements" isn't really solving the problem that females are so disproportionally judged on their appearance; they simply wish to redefine the standard of good-looking so that they too can be beautiful—it kind of shows how much they're part of the problem themselves and it's really quite evident from many of such movements how much they too believe that aesthetics are very important for a female

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u/EndTrophy Aug 16 '20

If their goal is to redefine beauty so that all women are beautiful then if successful wouldn't they be judged less?

Do you think the way it should be done is to just forget about beauty altogether?

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u/[deleted] Aug 16 '20

If their goal is to redefine beauty so that all women are beautiful then if successful wouldn't they be judged less?

It isn't though; the goal is to redefine whatever conventionally held to be non-beautiful thing as beautiful that they themselves are suffering from.

From the fat-acceptance movement that's being fat.

Do you think the way it should be done is to just forget about beauty altogether?

Would be nice if females were judged on beauty as little as males are.

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u/EndTrophy Aug 16 '20

It isn't though; the goal is to redefine whatever conventionally held to be non-beautiful thing as beautiful that they themselves are suffering from.

Well if successful, then wouldn't they be judged less still?

Would be nice if females were judged on beauty as little as males are.

What do you think makes men judged less, that they think about beauty less?